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Character Page

I have moved your character page to the correct place. As there are now 2 of these I suggest you merge them & place {{delete page}} on the other when you have finished. Please use that & not your user page. Thank you.
On another note, welcome to the wiki - nice additions to reputation. :)
DancesInTrees 11:11, 5 May 2008 (PDT)

Thank you - oh & my bad, it's {{Delete Page}} in case you need to use it in future; I really should remember that by now. DancesInTrees 00:30, 6 May 2008 (PDT)

Nice job on the Ranger session play info!

I was just reviewing changes that need to be done and pages that need to be put in and found the Ranger Session Play page filled in. Nice!
--Eleazaros 22:22, 10 July 2008 (PDT)


Excellent Location Additions

Great job on adding the new areas, it needed to be done! The only thing left now besides filling information here and there, is dealing with the coords and maps so we have the tooltip coords working for those new places. Wish I knew how, not sure if you do or not. Rogue 20:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :)
I'll do my best to fill in the content - wanted to do to very basic things first. More stuff coming soon(tm)!
Tharondir 20:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


The promotion was past due, great to have you as an editor --Lotroadmin 06:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


Coldfells Heavy Armour Quartermaster

In the Coldfells Heavy Armour Quartermaster page the Reward template don't worked, because you missed the <onlyinclude> at the beginning of the Item pages (example Item:Protector's Boots (20)). Barny (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it! :) --Tharondir (talk) 16:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


  • Thanks for your updates (HA! major rewrite) to the collection of information on the Moors!
The Wiki is successful because of dedicated fans like yourself.
You have been promoted - see: [[ Editors|Editor].

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:05, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Whee! So... with great power comes great articles, right? ;) anyways....thanks for the promotion :) --Tharondir (talk) 16:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

U13 Update to the Moors

Please see Lotro-Wiki.com_talk:Monster_Play#U13_-_update_to_the_Moors

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 18:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

The Moors Article

As Magill pointed to in the above link, I'm looking to completely redo the Monster Play article. It's arguably the most important as it will be the first resource potential new recruits may look to. It was copied originally from the original Dev Diary I believe and has been edited by users past and present over the last 7 years, changing out-of-date information. With the big changes in U13, there really is a good chance for a clean-up. So I think we should rewrite the article completely with a clean slate and hopefully make it more newbie friendly. Can't do it on my own, though! Haven't been playing regularly in Moors for a wee while now (may not be the highest ranked, but one of the most knowledgeable players). After this I hope we can also do some of the most central articles as well, generally improving the standard of articles. Looking forward to working with you :)

MoorsUpdater (talk) 19:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Sure! I play mostly freepside and my first goal was to add and update all of the freepside quests, NPCs and armour sets. I'm sure we'll get some great teamwork done on the rewrite of the Monster Play article; looking gorward to it as well  :) --Tharondir (talk) 06:39, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Wonderful! I'm glad to know you play freepside mostly, as I play creepside - we should be able to clean most stuff up between us ;). I may not be the highest ranked or leveled but I am indeed very knowledgeable. I was thinking that we should perhaps use the existing article as a base point to start off with, and keep the format mostly the same. Perhaps we should stick to our own strengths - you focusing on the freepside and me on the creepside etc.? My freepside experience is limited to 6 hours and 3 ranks on a scaled hunter, and a while in freepside on beta ;) ~ MoorsUpdater (talk) 16:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Agreed then - you deal with creepside while I do freepside. Seems like a perfect matchup :) --Tharondir (talk) 11:40, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Ettenmoors/Monster Play Work

Hey there! I would love to collaborate and see if we can't add in some sections for the Freep side of the moors as well? It's really empty and there is so much they should have there as well. Would you be interested in that? Email me at daltonbeta1@ g m a i l .com and we can get in touch. Thanks.

Sure! I'll send you a mail - what do you have in mind for freep side? I recently added all the missing quests and am now in the process of adding the missing armour sets. --Tharondir (talk) 17:12, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello! Been seeing your multitude of edits, keep up the good work! One thing I wanted to point out, when you move pages (due to a spelling error for instance), make sure the original page is deleted (or marked for deletion if you can't delete it yourself) rather than remaining a redirect to the new page. Certain redirects are necessary and helpful but probably not ones changed due a small spelling error. Deleting/marking the page as you go along will ensure the floaters don't get missed and buried ;) --Savi (talk) 14:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice :) I'll stick to that. --Tharondir (talk) 16:22, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


Hey, I bumped you to admin rights, so you can delete the pages vs using the template on the spam :) You've been a long time editor,and sorry I haven't promoted you sooner, thanks for the continued edits --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:55, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :) --Tharondir (talk) 07:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Moors Timeline

Heya there, I do apologise for my lack of contact which stems mostly from leveling my hunter with no time for the Moors, which did seem to take my mind of editing the page. I've also been quite busy in the past week but it seems to have subsided for now.

The work you've been doing on these MP pages is amazing! There's much less stuff to be updated now fortunately!

Anyway, for reference in a number of articles, I was wondering if you had any idea how long both forces have been in the Ettenmoors? Based on some evidence it would seem they moved in mere months ago, but according to some it could be as many as 30 years or more.

Speaking of lore, I've been searching the Wiki MP articles for good stuff, but apart from Gúrhardron and Iachador (and a few other articles) there's little in-depth lore, leaving a lot of gaps to fill. I don't know if the lore on those pages was Player-made, but I think it likely (probably from the Lorebook if not the original Wiki).

So have you got any good sources of lore that we could use to add some depth to the articles?

Thanks, MoorsUpdater (talk) 16:59, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Welcome back :)
Lore-wise, most of my intel comes from information provided through quest text. Especially the introduction quests for freepside (A Plea from Lainedhel and the three follow-ups) have been helpful with writing the Coldfells Army article. As for an estimated time line; my guess would be not more than half a year. --Tharondir (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Update 14

Lol -- I see you have already gotten in and uploaded the new map... I'm still patching - 50 minutes so far!
So now we begin to have an idea of the region/area/location layout.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 19:17, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Region screenshots

Thanks for getting missing screenshots for the regions! Eteocles (talk) 13:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


Before you have do to this for every Update for every NPC/Creature create a Template, were you have do to this only ones per Update. Example as for Template:Level Cap you can create it for Morale and Power. If you need help therefore, I can help you. Barny (talk) 12:14, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I would create one Template and would make one standart value and then the exceptions. Example for the Morale of the Sergeants-at-Arms:
             {{#switch: {{lc: {{{1|}}} }}
             | Sergeants-at-Arms = {{#if: {{{2|}}}
                                   | {{#switch: {{lc: {{{2|}}} }}
                                     | elves = 83,685
                                     | Coldfells Sergeant = 37,194
                                   | 84,531
             | and so on ...
Barny (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


Based on your long tenure, i upgraded your account. If you don't mind, send me a private message --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleting Spam Pages

Thanks for cleaning up after me many times and deleting those spam pages. :) All I can do is block and blank them, so thanks again for making sure they're deleted. SjsharksBoy (talk) 05:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thanks in return for blanking and blocking - it's good to see people are fighting spammers wherever they can :) --Tharondir (talk) 06:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

u14-B4 issues

LOL... it seems that B4 is non-functional on the Mac Client. Hopefully they will fix it before the end of B4... but if not ? does that guarantee B5?

And, at least for me, playing through WINE, the PC client crashes in about 15 minutes if I have any Lua Active!

Guess I'm going to have to work to get up to level 100 and skip logging quests for a bit to try to make sense of this damm bunch of Dailies. It seems to be more than slightly confusing.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 19:03, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
No Mac client? Wow, that sucks :( If you need anything from the test server, I'd be happy to help out. I do not have a character at lvl100 though -- I did not do any landscape quests. Didn't want to spoil them for live. --Tharondir (talk) 19:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

U14 Moors barter NPC updates

I have done some initial revising/updating of the Barter Vendors in Glan Vraig -- Egbert Ditchins (Burglar); Landru (Warden); Tongdir (Hunter).
I basically:
  • Revised the listing order (breaking it up into multiple tables) and inserted new headers.
  • Moved Items which were "obviously" obsolete, i.e. no longer offered, to the bottom. There may be others I missed.
While these items are no longer offered, if people have them in their inventories, they will continue to exist.
  • Renamed most armour to be "<item name> (Level XX)" and the Armour Sets the same way.
Most armour seta we had in the listing before were either Level 65 or 75; now the sets are level 75, 85, 95 and 100.

There is still more to be done, but that was a start. (Something to do when I got bored with the DA dailies.)

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Beorning Trainer

Why you add the "Category:Beorning Skills" to the Beorning Trainers? The other classes also don't have this. Barny (talk) 12:06, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

It was added to the first Trainer article (Beorning Trainer (Vales of Anduin), see history), so I thought it should be the same with each Beorning trainer. --Tharondir (talk) 12:44, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't like it. I would remove it. Barny (talk) 14:06, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
You're probably right, one can always check the Beorning Skills page for that info. I'll remove it from the trainer pages. --Tharondir (talk) 14:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Is there more than one Beorning trainer? So far I have only seen the one located in the Vales of Anduin.
I would doubt that Turbine will be adding them as all they do is sell the three Class books.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 21:26, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
There are those who barter the raid sets from Moria, Dar Narbugud, Barad Guldur and Tower of Orthanc. I have not yet uploaded pictures for them because they all still have the standard female appearance (woman from archet). But other than that, they are functional. Once you hit Moria, check the 21st Hall and you will find the first of them. --Tharondir (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


Roving Threats

Roving Threats are being fleshed out on Bullroarer... I've started to add info on the "new" Roving Threats from 15.2.3 (Build 3).
In particular see the Category:Roving Threats Quests and Roving Threat Quartermaster.
I have not yet "checked out" any of the Gondorian NPC characters, I am guessing that there will be one Quartermaster and 5 quests for each Area.
So far, as you enter each area for the first time with a level 100, you get an auto-bestowal to go see a specific quartermaster.
No idea if the past info on mobs implies many more, or different quest targets.
Assuming Turbine stays with their pattern -- there will be 5 quests per Area, and the same 2 questions for all.
  • I am planning to do Misty Mountains and Forochel quests next, and to continue to verify that the Quartermasters are all bartering the same thing. So far, yes they do.
  • I haven't really figured out what makes sense for transclusion at the moment, so I'm just throwing everything into the Category:Roving Threats Quests, so feel free to "re-organize" if you see any obvious pattern. The obvious pattern would be the Warbands but I don't know that is optimal, especially with the Quartermaster structure.
  • I assume that there are more Item: Gift-giver's Brand drops than the 3 per quest. The Gift-giver's Brand-icon.png 200 Gift-giver's Brands requirement is very high if that is the case.
  • I'm also guessing that there is/will be one or more deeds associated with these threats as things progress. Probably one deed for completing all threats in each area, and a Meta-deed or each Region. That would fit with Turbine's current patterns.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 13:25, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Eastern Gondor

Thanks for the work on Eastern Gondor -- Turbine has really trashed the Mac Client this time around. Mean time between crashes is about 30 seconds, or the first land-block, which ever comes first :(.

Hopefully build 3 will address the problem. Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 09:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I hope so too! Would be a shame if Mac users were left out again. --Tharondir (talk) 10:14, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Zerg / Zerging

The meaning of this term has always alluded me. I sort-of understood its meaning from its use in context on the forums, so I finally got around to looking for definitions. (And I haven't played PvMP since the level cap was 50!)

I've created the definition for the Game Terms page -- Zerg.

I assume the description of its origins is correct as I never played Starcraft.

Please take a look and see if it makes any sense, especially in the LOTRO space.

Thanks! Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 15:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


Hey Tharondir!

Quick question, do you know anything about patrolling? I tried to do it this morning, but I can't seem to mark articles as 'patrolled'.

-- Freepy (talk) 10:27, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Looking for a new project!

Hey again Tharondir!

As you may have seen on my projects list: it is all quite finished. Categorization is mostly done, a few problems remain. I was wondering if you had any tips for a new recruit about relatively easy articles to add or modify as a new project for me. ^^

--Freepy (talk) 09:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

U16.2 Work

I've started collecting information on the 16.2 PvMP changes.

One thing I've done is to tinker with the Monster Play "header." - Template:L:1:Monster
The first is the "standard" Monster Play table coloring -- the test version is based on the other MP color scheme.
Any preferences?
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


Hey Tharondir,

I hope I did not annoy you by adding the The Sundering of Osgiliath page while I was bored during downtime today. I tried to make it look as complete as possible. Feel free to completely obliterate the contents it once you get around to it :) --Freepy (talk) 12:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Maps - 17.beta and 16.2

While adding the maps for Update 17, I noticed that the coordinates for the Sundering of Osgiliath (16.2) don't work quite right.

If you look at the test page, all of the values wind up at the bottom of the map -- instead of in the NW and NE corners and center. East/West seems fine, it is apparently only the N/S number that is wrong, so the NW and SW or NE and SE place the swirlie in the same spot - slightly below the map on the left or right corner. The Great Bridge similarly, is below the map, but in the correct left-right (E/W) position.

I played with it for a bit, but did not come up with the answer. I'm guessing that there needs to be some sort of fudge-factor added as is the case with Old Anorien, but I couldn't find it.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 09:47, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I had the same problems when trying to get the coordinates for the PvP map to work. Thank you for trying to fix it. I guess we are on the same page here - I cannot figure out what we can do right now. As for Old Anórien, this problem seems to be related; do you know anyone who might have the knowledge to sort this out? --Tharondir (talk) 09:49, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Fixed. See: User_talk:Goingbald#How.27s_your_java_--
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 18:08, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Minas Tirith

Beautiful job on re-formatting that page!
I love that long-range portrait you got of the city.
  • One thing which I know we will need to keep an eye on is the addition of quests for NPCs as content is added moving forward. I suspect we will still have as much to do as we have already done.
I know (ha- predict) that The Wheel and Cask will have some kind of quest from Meldis to clear out the "bugs" from the back-room. :)
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 18:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Glad you like the way I edited the page. :)
I am sure there will be some more changes coming in the next beta builds, such as NPCs being moved or new quests added. I only completed the quests given by Forlong and Húrin, saving the rest for live. It is unfortunate that we will not get a chance to preview the next epic book, because the epic quests tend to be the most sought-after on the wiki, and I would appreciate it if we had them added before the update goes live. --Tharondir (talk) 05:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Beta of 17 is done

In case you missed Vyvyanne's post in the thread about the Build 4 release notes:

"This was the final Bullroarer build for Update 17."

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 17:59, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, this kind of sucks because I was not able to get in after the stress test last saturday. My bullroarer client alwayd got stuck on "Connecting to patch server". I would have liked to finish up Minas Tirith, since many things have changed in Build 4, including travel horses to the seven tiers among other things. I have screenshots from build 3 for some of the Talath Anor locations and will add them over the week. Anyways I hope the preparations for U17 are enough for when the update goes live. --Tharondir (talk) 18:57, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Westemnet Scholar Recipe

Why you Reverted my edit from Item:Westemnet Yeoman's Lore Recipe? It's a Westemnet Recipe and had (has) the Eastemnet Scholar Recipe-icon. Barny (talk) 23:49, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Wasn't on purpose, I must have misclicked. Sorry. --Tharondir (talk) 07:19, 29 January 2016 (UTC)



You blocked that guy one second ahead of me ;) How can we restore the damage? --Freepy (talk) 20:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

First we must stop the ongoing spamming. Then worry about the damage. --Tharondir (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

V4 B6 Talk Page

Just letting you know I posted something to Category talk:Vol. IV. Book 6 Quests. Since I just created that talk page, you probably weren't notified. -- Gestrid (talk) 05:29, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Saw it, but thanks for letting me know. --Tharondir (talk) 05:40, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Old Pages Under Construction

Hey, Tharondir. I was looking at Category:Stubs/Construction to see what other pages are currently under construction. According to that page, the pages Category:North Downs Quest Chains and Category:North Downs Quests are both under construction. The template was put there by you, but neither of them have been worked on since, at the latest, 2014. If you're done with those pages, can you please remove the Construction notice from them? -- Gestrid (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Sure. At one point, I was hoping to run a new character through the revamped North Downs, but never got the chance to do it. --Tharondir (talk) 21:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Haradrim versus Southron

When I inspect a Haradrim Sorcerer (Pelennor) it tells me the species is Haradrim. Isn't that what we should use in the article?

Mogafi (talk) 13:58, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Southron is used for both Haradrim and Corsairs. --Tharondir (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Update 19

In preping stuff for update 19, it is clear that we will have "fun" with the maps as the E/W line runs through most of them.
I'm also considering changing the existing "Minas Tirth (after)" to match the rest of the new naming conventions - "Minas Tirth (After Battle)".
I should mention -- it appears that they might be two different maps -- have to check some more!
Stay tuned!
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 17:48, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Not different coordinates, a different map name -- an underscore!
Is there a reason why in User:Eleazaros/coords.js (last entry) it is "case "Minas Tirith_(after)":" - i.e. "_(after"?
Is that necessary to get the JS to deal with the parens?
The actual file name seems to NOT have the underscore in it.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 18:34, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Hey Magill, thank you for the heads-up on update 19. As I am on my communications device right now I'll keep it brief. I will get to adding u19 stuff on wednesday, my top priority will be the new epic book. About the underscore added in the Minas Tirith after coords- that is intentional, I was unable to get it to work any other way. Feel free to fix it :) --Tharondir (talk) 19:02, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Note that Turbine is (so far) adhearing to their "weekend only" access for bullroarer. Build 1 came up on the 23rd (Friday), apparently around 4pm, and went down on Monday, the 26. (It was down at 10 am, when I tried to log-in.)


Marauder Steed

Hey. I haven't seen you around for a while so I'm not sure if you'll see this anytime soon, but if you do, please check out Talk:Marauder Steed. Thanks!
PS Sorry for the odd spot on your Talk page - certain words keep me from posting this message at the bottom. Feel free to move it to the correct place; I'll contact Lotroadmin to fix the spam filter. --Ravanel (talk) 11:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! --Tharondir (talk) 12:33, 19 October 2017 (UTC)



Hello and thank you for the promotion and the kind words :) Silver hr (talk) 04:58, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! Tharondir (talk) 09:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


Weird looking Bingo quest?

Hi Tharondir!
I was looking at the quest Instance: Enter the Easterlings, and your latest edit there looked really strange. Did you inadvertently happen to edit an old revision of the page when you made those changes? Because it looks like it has undone several of the changes made over the years, that seem like they should be there (e.g. the 'name' template, reflecting pool, invalid coordinates etc.).

Could you perhaps look into this, please? Thanks! :)

--Stargazer (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I think I really did make a mistake while editing, using an outdated version of the instance quest - originally I had only intended to add any race-specific dialogue I would come across. Thanks for pointing out the issue! --Tharondir (talk) 09:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Tharondir, and welcome back again from your hiatus! I was wondering if you could please, please dig into that edit you made to the Bingo quest, linked above? So that we could hopefully get it cleared up finally, after all this time! \o/
I haven't wanted to touch it myself, because since I've never done these quests myself I'm not sure what would be 'correct' or not in this case. But if you need my help with something just let me know. :D
Nice to see you back! :)
--Stargazer (talk) 15:19, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I just took another look at the quest and fixed the coordinate issue, everything else is looking fine to me now. Is there anything I may have overlooked? If so, please feel free to point me in the right direction. --Tharondir (talk) 06:21, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Looking back at this diff, the things that caught my attention was those that I initially mentioned back in May (from initial post above):
  • The coordinates (which you just fixed – thanks for that!)
  • The Reflecting Pool
  • All the uses of the {{name}} template
  • The objectives and associated texts/dialogues being changed
Some of these points I could've sorted out myself at the time, of course, but the main reason I didn't touch this quest was because of that last point; all the text and dialogue – I don't know which parts are 'right' or 'wrong' there, as I haven't done the quest myself, so I didn't know what to do with those bits. That's why I thought it best to bring it to your attention and let you take care of it all, since you would be in a much better position to determine what would be 'correct' (or not) here, having more knowledge about this quest itself (and also what you were trying to do at the time). I hope that's okay? There might also be other things I have overlooked, that I didn't even know to look for; I have no idea. :D
Let me know if you need my help with anything. Cheers! --Stargazer (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Stargazer! I finally realized what I was doing wrong and now I think I got the quest where it needs to be, fixing text and objectives, reflecting pool hints as well as the <name> template. Thank you for having so much patience with me… it really has been some time since I did serious editing and I guess I’ve gotten a bit rusty… --Tharondir (talk) 15:18, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Summary when creating pages

Hello, can you please fill the summary field? Especially when creating lot of new pages, since the default is it pulls the page content as summary, they get very long and recent changes and similar pages gets a lot harder to read. I usually put just "new item" there to prevent that. Thanks. (I just copy pasted this from Dronos recent pointing this out to me, but it makes sense.) :) Hiyacinth (talk) 08:45, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

If this is something that makes it easier to read the recent changes list, I can do that. Thanks for pointing it out.--Tharondir (talk) 08:46, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Really great seeing that pvp vendor filled out. It's a big filler of the wanted pages links, good job! Hiyacinth (talk) 08:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
It's gonna take a while, since there are three of those armour vendors and there is a whole new tier of armour sets that is not even listed on the vendor page yet. Lots of items that need to be added.--Tharondir (talk) 09:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)