User talk:Alicia

HD Quests

Thanks for creating the several HD quests.

The main comments I would make.

1- Leave the Fellowship type blank. This is primarily a consistency issue. Using the "lowest" access category.

See: Category: Helm's Deep Quests for examples.

2- Is there really ONLY an IXP reward? That seems strange. One would assume that there are both Steed Experience (SXP) and Epic Battle Reward Points (Epic Points).

See: Flames at the Gate for an example of the rewards. This is also repeatable, but no mention is made of the "daily restriction."

I have not done any of the Epic Battles yet, but I would assume they are similar to the War Bands -- they are repeatable daily, but you can only get "the top reward" once per day -- which I would assume to be the "Epic Battle Points."

3- The comment about "Once Daily for Credit" needs to be moved to the "Walkthrough and Notes" section and explained. ... Credit for what? IXP being the only reward, that seems more than slightly strange.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 19:31, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Responding:

1: I'm obviously new at this. Is it just solo because the system is limited to listing only one type of each category?

2: Only IXP is listed in the quest panel. I'm not sure about Steed Experience--I think so, but to be honest I don't pay a lot of attention to that. Epic Battle Reward Points are only given under certain circumstances upon completion (once you hit platinum, you no longer receive Epic Battle Reward Points for completing.) You also get XP, approximately 30K for each side quest and 50K for the main quest, but again, it's not listed in the quest panel, so wasn't sure whether to include it. Feel free to change if you wish.

3: Basically, you get credit for the quest once a day, and when it happens, here's where you get credit:

• IXP, SXP I guess, and regular XP
• credit for whatever level it was completed at (Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum) which goes towards the jewelry reward system
• Epic Battle Reward Points if you complete it at a higher level than you've completed it before, is my understanding.

However, you can complete it as many times a day as you like if you're helping out (i.e., you're not locked out if you try to do it more than once a day, you just don't get credit for the quest and therefore get none of the XP, etc. Similar to running a Daily Challenge in Grand Stair and the like.)

If you want to play around with the rewards, I'll leave that up to you for right now. I might try to pull more data when completing them and update later. I'll try to do something with the fellowship type and repeatable in the notes instead of the category box.

Alicia (talk) 22:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)Alicia

• I've answered you over at Talk:Boilerplate:Quest#HD_Quests_--_Changes_needed as the answer involves potential changes to the Quest template.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 02:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Promotion

Thanks for the updates. You have been promoted - see: Ninja.

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Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 03:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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I strongly suggest you stop commenting on the Helm's Deep Battle system until you've actually played it or have done a lot more research on it. You have things like:

"That said, the question is -- is the information easily available and are templates needed for the different rewards available for the different classes (Engineer, Officer, Vanguard)"

There are NOT different rewards based on you have on your tree, and Engineer, Officer, Vanguard are not "classes."

Alicia (talk) 16:50, 3 February 2014 (UTC)Alicia

Quest Notes

Regarding this and similar reverts: Any particular reason why this note can't live in the "Notes" box? It seems awfully out of place floating there above everything else. Sethladan 02:19, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Responding Because the Walkthrough/Notes is collapsible, suggesting that one might not want to know a piece of information, i.e. spoilers. Repeatability isn't something considered a spoiler. Alicia (talk) 05:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)Alicia

Thanks for the response, and you have a good point. However, there's a lot of information that doesn't need to be "hidden." The quest boxes are actually collapsed and in the order they are to make as much information available to the visitor as possible without pushing the quest text all the way off the screen. This way, the quest text is right there and ready to read, but there's also easy access to all the additional information. See, for example, Quest:The Puzzle-vault for how some people have dealt with "real" spoiler information. You might also want to take a look at Talk:Boilerplate:Quest and Template talk:Infobox Quests to see some of the long arguments that went into standardizing the format to how it is today.

In the interest of organization and consistency, would you be willing to keep the repeatability note (because that's what it is, an important note) inside the "Notes" box? Sethladan 14:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

If it's possible to set aside for a moment the head-butting below... I ran a couple of Helm's Dikes today on solo and noticed that the side quests weren't being bestowed again. This makes me wonder if it's not misleading to say that the quest can be completed more than once per day (regardless of how we phrase the rewards). It may be simply a matter of semantics, but it seems to me that if you're not receiving the quest again (in the quest tracker) then you're not really repeating the quest. You can certainly repeat the instance, the action does go on around you, and you can get experience for killing mobs, but that's analogous to saying that by defeating the Red Reaver fifty times, you've completed Quest:Thornley's Revenge fifty times. As before, the notes you added were not wrong, because the activity is definitely repeatable. From a strict point of view, though, you're not actually redoing the quest until the next day (the exception here is if you fail a quest, it can be rebestowed and attempted again on a subsequent run). Sethladan 20:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Last Word on the Pages I've Created

You and the rest of this wiki's volunteers had your chance at creating those pages for months. You could have had them in whatever neat format you wanted them in if you did the work. You chose not to. I've more or less followed the format with some minor variations, and I don't see where it's reasonable for anyone to come in after someone else has done the work and insist they did it wrong--when they took the time to do it, which you did not.
So no, not changing it. Next expansion, actually update this site with the new quests in a timely fashion, and you'll get them formatted exactly how you want them to be.
Alicia (talk) 17:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Alicia

This is far from the last word on the matter. By your own argument: This wiki has been around since 2007. You have almost 7 years to come along and be a constructive member of developing the formatting and standards. Instead, you have taken it upon yourself to determine that your idea is better than what has generally been agreed upon by a consensus of editors who have together put in innumerable man-and-woman hours of work here.

No, the wiki is not perfect. Yes, a great deal of information is missing. I did not, however, as you claim, tell you that what you were doing was wrong. Nor did I try to take away any of the hard work or information you added. To the contrary: I asked you politely if you would be willing to compromise by keeping the "repeatability" note, but move it to a location more consistent with the other several thousand quest pages we have here. I could have, if I were as inflexible and arrogant as you have behaved so far, simply deleted the note altogether and pointed out that the repeatability of the quest is already included in the infobox on the top right.

Learn to play nicely in the sandbox with the other children and talk through disagreements or you'll be asked to leave. Sethladan 15:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Condescension like that is exactly why I've been reluctant to continue do add to this wiki. That was _my_ word on my additions. I have no desire to argue when I'm contributing for the benefit of other people. I'd rather put my efforts elsewhere.

Alicia (talk) 00:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Caves of the Avorrim

I've moved the page to the corrected title; thanks for pointing it out! I'm also glad to see you continuing to edit despite the unpleasantness I've lobbed your way in the past. Regardless of my intentions, I definitely phrased things poorly. Please accept my overdue apologies and I look forward to even more eagle-eyed work from you. Sethladan 02:59, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. My apologies as well: I could have also handled communicating better. Alicia (talk) 19:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

You've been promoted!

Congratulations, Alicia!

You've been promoted to the level of Editor! The Wiki is successful because of dedicated fans like yourself, and we thank you for your contributions to it!

Signed,

— Gestrid (talk) 06:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm pleased to be recognized for my contributions. :o)

--Alicia (talk) 17:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)