User talk:Varghedin

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Wonderful additions to the wiki so far! The images are a great addition to places. Keep up the good work. Rogue 21:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :) --Varghedin 16:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

In future, could you please put [[Category:Location Images]] in the summary box! Pretty please :D Rogue 05:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright --Varghedin 18:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Ninja Status

You've done excellent work for the site and it's time for a promotion. Welcome to Ninja status. Rogue 18:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks =) --Varghedin 09:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

You play Warhammer.

Dead give-a-ways are usually Ork instead of Orc. :) Rogue 01:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually I don't play much Warhammer, so if I wrote "ork" then I must've been confused :P --Varghedin 14:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I Like Your Camera

Yes, I do :) -- Zimoon 16:47, 7 November 2011 (EST)

Hehe, I like it too :) --Varghedin (talk) 15:07, 9 November 2011 (EST)

A comment though, with kindest intention: When images are scaled down to 400px (as at all location pages) the somewhat darker images becomes even darker (as part of the scaling algorithm), and details are lost. If possible, use high ISO numbers and longer shutter speed, that would make them brighter ;) Unless you do mind I can replace those old images I find with same-image after brightening them up. But perhaps those I find are older and more recent shots are brighter to start with, if so, please bear with me.

Zimoon 07:26, 27 February 2012 (EST)

Tyl Aegonn

This page looks a little orphaned now, heh. Is the landmark gone? Sethladan 19:23, 9 November 2011 (EST)

I searched everywhere for it, including on the official site and around Evendim. It was nowhere to be found, but I found one remark that the location's lorebook entry had been removed. I guess the page is indeed an orphan... --Varghedin (talk) 19:30, 9 November 2011 (EST)

Can't find anything on Google myself - plenty of sites reference it, but no actual info. Thanks for following up, guess I'll axe the page, then, heh. :) Sethladan 20:01, 9 November 2011 (EST)

{{PAGENAME}}

Could you please use a page's actual name instead of this code? I know it makes copying and pasting things a lot easier, but it sort of became the bane of our existence when it overproliferated like a voracious weed, hahah. Another option is {{subst:PAGENAME}} which will actually insert the page's name once you've saved. Thanks, and congratulations on your promotion. :) Sethladan 11:20, 11 November 2011 (EST)

Alright, didn't know that was an issue. My promotion was 2.5 years ago, but thanks anyway :) --Varghedin (talk) 15:02, 11 November 2011 (EST)

You got another one two days ago, too, heh. And, yeah, it's not a major issue; I just don't want people to get into the habit of using it lest it start creeping around again. I think it was probably more widely used when you started here - we've only just managed to get bots to root most of it out. :-P Sethladan 16:00, 11 November 2011 (EST)

Oh, nobody told me about that promotion :P Thanks then, I guess I'll update my profile :) --Varghedin (talk) 07:24, 12 November 2011 (EST)

Locations Thingie

I was made aware of some pages so I thought you'd want to have this link: Create new location

Please use the format as-is so we can keep a somewhat uniform style. There is seldom a need to do something with the top section, but sometimes circumstances force us to "invent" something for the lower sections, not very often though.
Zimoon 21:25, 7 January 2012 (EST)

I see. If I have no information on the area though, should I really keep all those empty sections? Seems a bit clumsy. Also, why is the lore section all the way towards the bottom? I think it should be the first or second section on the page as it contains the type of information that one looks for on a proper wiki.--Varghedin (talk) 06:10, 8 January 2012 (EST)

Adding a stub is just fine, then rather add it to the [[Category:Region Name]] and it will be picked up eventually. And a {{Stub/Location}} of course. But remove the empty sections, yes. Or just a plain page with the brief info we have right now.

Lore, in the sense literature or prose, is less factual than what is meant to be under "location". I did not do the format but understand the intention to keep facts topmost and "lore" next. An exception are NPCs which definitely is interesting. In a way I agree that lore is important; Tolkien spent an awful lot of text on describing the surroundings. However, I think most players quickly want to find services and quests, this is a wiki for gamers after all.

Did you have another interpretation of "lore"? Or do I misunderstand something? Zimoon 18:40, 8 January 2012 (EST)

NPC Icons

Hi. I noticed you adding Category:NPC Icons images. I like the idea. I would like to be able to add these myself.

Where are you finding them? How are you creating them? Are you capturing them from the NPC portrait somehow?

Why are they (at least some of them) 30x30 instead of 32x32 pixels, and why are the GIF format instead of JPG format like our images, or PNG format like our other icons? Are you finding and extracting resource images?

- RingTailCat (talk) 16:54, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Hello, RingTailCat. I am making these icons myself, from available screenshots taken either myself or copied from the site. I'm using Photoshop to crop the pictures around the face and black out the backgrounds. I'm using the sharpen tool to make the pictures crisper, and sometimes increasing brightness/contrast if the picture is dark. I chose 30x30 because I thought it would be a nice size - small enough to not be overwhelming or dominating, and yet big enough to discern the detail of the NPCs. I chose GIF because it creates small, easy files that are quick to load. --Varghedin (talk) 17:04, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Addendum: You can of course use the icons I've made freely - I've used them only to describe Bree-lands NPCs but they have a potential for use in many different types of articles. Also, if you have an interest in having some particular icon made, you could potentially ask me to make one for you (within reason). --Varghedin (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

I was a bit baffled first, but I do not really object or so.

I am not sure there will be hundreds of them as many many many NPCs share the bitmap looks. But if you believe there will be many hundreds of them I suggest you think of splitting the category right away. Whether geography, race, or what, I do not know. But I do know that it will be impossible to find a "generic" icon if there is no order ;)

Are you visiting the locations in game if you find dark/ui-artefact/flawed images too? I have just run over Ered Luin and The Shire fixing some stuff I never fixed when I was new around this wiki and there are quite a few images that could be replaced. Preferably by a hobbit or dwarf taking the screenshots, to avoid looking-down on the poor NPC :-) If not, another day maybe.

-- Zimoon 18:20, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

PS, sorry. I notice that you have "generic" icons. Great! That was why I did not notice any loading impact, they are so few :)

Then there will just be a small number for certain odd-NPCs I guess. -- Zimoon 18:24, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

HOWEVER, I do not like these icons in the "service" or similar lists. It is nice in lists of NPCs when the icon is left-most, but it is distracting and does not add value in lists of services or similar that some NPCs provide.

Let such lists be clean for their original purpose, and not burdened with irrelevant icons.

I am uncertain whether it is good to line up several icons for things like "drunkard", "townsperson", etc. I wonder if it is possible to replace them with some icon that is a morph of genders and all races? Anyway, those lines add no value but is more of a show-off, right? ;)

Before you go ahead all over the regions, let us hear what other senior editors think. I like your initiative, but perhaps we should limit amount of icons per line, and limit where they may be used and where not. Those limitations may be stated at the "Cat:NPC Icons page", if we find some consensus. Just pause right now so the possible roll-backs will be less ;)

-- Zimoon 18:34, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Right, I get what you mean. It did seem awkward even when I added those at the top of Bree-town, so I'll remove them again if you haven't already. As for the 'townsperson' etc, I made a morph as you asked: . I guess it kind of looks a bit androgynous and vaguely half-elven, which I suppose was your intention. I'm just not sure it will be easy to understand that it represents all the races. (And no, the intetion of adding multiple icons on the line was not to show off, but just to be completionist.) It does make the job much easier to handle by using the morph icon when there is ambiguity in the race/gender, though, I suppose. --Varghedin (talk) 19:20, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

I have heard, from reading the forums, but not actually seen this myself, that some NPCs have different random skins. I have noticed that stables horses have different appearences, somewhat at random. Appearantly, some NPCs will have different skins at different times for you, or different skins for different characters at the same time. I'm not sure if this applies to named NPCs or NPCs who have assigned roles, or only for scenery NPCs. This may not be a problem if we are only using unique icons for some named NPCs and race+gender specific icons for everyone else. RingTailCat (talk) 19:42, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

I have to admit, I was kind of astonished at the flood of .gifs and the bold new idea and direction but, while the obsessive organizationalist in me lurches to object, I find that I really like the visual effect of those miniature portraits. A couple of thoughts:

• Would it be a significant difference in terms of size, work, or quality to make them 32x32 and .png for the sake of consistency with other icons?
• Instead of morphing the image, is there a possibility of some sort of "multiple" portrait in which you could crowd two or more smaller heads (for example, a dwarf and a man) and thereby perhaps more accurately convey the idea that multiple races/genders fill that particular role?

Nice to see continued innovation. :) Sethladan 19:57, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

I think I prefer this composite over the morph, myself: . --Varghedin (talk) 20:55, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

Back, after a nights sleep. Great to read that we agree on the non-NPC lists, that content still rules.

The show-off was kind of a joke, sorry. I gathered the completionist, we are alike at that point, an obsession I think all of us in this subject share, for good and for bad, haha. The composite was great, I like that a lot better than the morph (I thought already when typing that it should be really hard to get one to work, other than from the filename).

Yes, NPCs have different appearances, but there are only so many of them per race, I'd say less than ten each, perhaps even much less than so, blond/dark Man/Woman, etc. I do not know about the later expansions, if they are more varied, but IMHO Lotro sucks in this regard. The mobs are more varied than the NPCs ;)

We need to watch out a bit though, some NPCs have special looks. Such as Butterbar at the Pony, but I think they are very few.

And a question, would it look nice to have rounded corners? I do not know, I ask.

@Seth, just remember that size is space. All lists will grow. The "displayed" icon size at Info boxes are often 24, but not always, set by the templates. But I rather have have the original icon the agreed upon size than the wiki-engine should scale them whenever asked for, to uncontrolled results.

-- Zimoon 01:55, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

PS: I experimented a bit with Bree, trying to avoid the bullets to the left of the icons...which are superfluous with the icons. Or not? Look at Category:Bree NPCs and scroll up and down and see lists with bullets, and the topmost without. -- Zimoon 02:21, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Alright, I've removed all the bullet points. I agree, they look strange together with the tables. I've also changed all the icons to .PNG and 32x32px. As for the skins of each race, I think that's a very slippery slope. The NPCs have different hair colour and hair style combinations as well. I say we just have a standard icon for each race/class combination and rather make icons for NPCs that are particularly unique. I made one of Barliman even though his model isn't actually completely unique. But since he's important also in the books and a recognizable character, I made one of him as well as the water-spirit Willowsong who has a unique river-maiden texture. Oh, and I changed the listed icons to the composite icons (I made one for each race as well). I must say it does look better. --Varghedin (talk) 06:18, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Awesome. Nah, I agree, having one for each variation would be an overkill. I really do not know how many they are. Old/young blond/dark man/woman, are there anymore of race of man? But just those would be 8 icons for just one race! Ahum, dwarves are less ;)

-- Zimoon 13:50, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Red hair, brown hair, black hair, blonde hair, pale skin, tan skin, dark skin, beard, mustache, goatee, clean shaven, short hair, long hair, medium hair, slicked back etc etc etc. And that's only for a male human. And they come in all kinds of combinations. I'm so not going there :) --Varghedin (talk) 14:14, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I underestimated grossly. Let's stay with the current scheme but we need to remember if anybody has a more particular look. Not many has, but some. There are hooded rangers and not-hooded and Saerdan ;)

The two elvish icons could be made more different by male=dark hair, now both are blonde. That is the only thing I noticed.

I also noticed that double icon at Halecatch Lake, the turtle eate..catchers, that looked odd in the list. I think it is best with just one of the two and since it does not matter you pick a random.

I also noticed that at some area pages there were no end-of-line marker so ... I have fixed the areas Shire, Bree-land, and Ered Luin so no worries. I will keep an eye out when/if you continue.

-- Zimoon 16:53, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Alright. The hood on the icon is to separate the rangers from other male humans - without a hood they just look like a human male. It doesn't matter if they actually wear a hood in-game, the icons aren't supposed to represent what the NPC wears but rather their classification - so you'll see the hooded icon and instantly recognize that the listed NPC is a ranger. Thanks for fixing that end of the line thing - I'm not sure what that means so there might be more of them coming up. I made both elves blonde on purpose to more easily distinguish them from humans. However, I could change up the male's hairstyle so it looks more different from the female - I agree they kind of look too similar to each other. --Varghedin (talk) 17:58, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

You should not take me that serious, I am usually quite cheerful ;)

You've probably noticed that I usually do not add lonely NPCs to a category. That is why some appear at that area-category page and listed there by location for the completeness. Those pages with just one or two NPCs need icons on their own but should be quite few. I just did Ered Luin and can continue with The Shire and Bree-land tomorrow.

I added a |left to a few names. For longer names it makes the name line-break but keep to the right of the icon, and the name always begins at top right of the image. I do not want to change the width of the tables just for those few, I'd rather keep the widths uniform all over the place, and not all vistors use wide-screen with maximized browser windows ;)

Great job, keep it up!!!

-- Zimoon 17:18, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

I'm quite cheerful myself, so no worries :) I did notice that some NPCs are just listed right on the main page, but I think I've done a fair job of including them in the icons. But if you're following my tracks and correcting stuff that is great. --Varghedin (talk) 18:02, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

Just to prepare you. I have done from starter areas to The Lone-lands, The North Downs, Evendim, and have started at The Trollshaws but realized I had to backtrace and use things I learned over the previous regions. And with "done" I chiefly mean "locations" but as said elsewhere that includes NPCs, quests, deeds, and whatever that happens to be geographically bound in some way. Hence, after these regions there will be more willy-nilly style to NPCs and so forth. Do whatever you please, I will fix when I level up anyway ;) --Zimoon 03:41, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

Heya, I saw you changes to the instances, and I think that the icons look awesome! GB, GA, Fornost, and Annuminas all look great. However, when I saw your changes to GS, and Forges and so forth, it seemed a little less spectacular. Keep in mind that most all bosses have a unique look, or at least stand out, and should not be considered your typical type of mob. I understand that you may have yet to go to some of these locations, but images can be found on youtube, if not the wiki. Also you seem to have moved on to moria without doing the angmar instances, or any of the raids. (Storvâgûn of Helegrod. Look him up. He is huge.) Just suggestions, but magnificent work! /cheer --Bonzesquire (talk) 01:12, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

Hey, thanks for the feedback. I didn't really 'move on' to the Moria instances, I just did the quest/public dungeons first and then I'll do the instanced dungeons and raids as I get to them. I'm not a dungeoneer/raider myself though so I usually have no idea what the mobs look like, so when there's no image of them anywhere that I can find, I'll end up using more standardized icons for them judging by their race. Youtube is possibly a source of imaging but very often the quality is too low or covered in spell effects etc to be able to use it. I'll see what I can do about it, though. --Varghedin (talk) 12:24, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

Hia, I see we need RangerF/M icons. While we could use HumanF for females they do not look too similar to the common Bree-landish females, do they? See Harthadril as an example, but also others, especially in Evendim. What do you think about that? -- Zimoon 11:34, 17 August 2012 (EDT)

Like so: ? --Varghedin (talk) 04:53, 24 August 2012 (EDT)

Cool. Looking great. Not that all have hoods, but not all male rangers have hoods either ;-)

I do not think you have to change all Ranger.png to RangerM, or ask RTC to run a bot for that (unless you have one of your own). And I do not think we need to run an extra turn to dig up female Rangers, but whenever we come across them. Thanks mate! -- Zimoon 06:34, 24 August 2012 (EDT)

Promotion

Congratulations, you have been promoted to Administrator, Excellent work on maps and links and long term editor. Noddi (talk) 11:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! :) --Varghedin (talk) 05:38, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi Varghedin, I took a hiatus from the game many years before it seems you have done. And now, when walking over the "other places" you have created I am amazed about the hours you must have put into those articles. Whether you will return to LotRO or not is your business, but if you do I will welcome you wholeheartedly. I really love your "other places" pages and will do my best to maintain them in your honour. -- Zimoon 00:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello; Zimoon! I'm still here and still playing the game, albeit only sporadically when there's a new update. Thanks for your support and would be very glad of your help in maintaining them :) --Varghedin (talk) 11:14, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Images on Category Pages

Hi Varghedin, we noticed your current work. Please wait before adding further images to category pages because there is a current discussion ongoing regarding what contents to have on those. Please bear with us and we will let you know soon. The discussion Is held here Help talk:Categorization#Second Try. — Zimoon 21:48, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

If you could, please put on hold adding them to the individual deed pages also, i think it is worth considering adding them to the Deed template. But need to wait for others to say their opinions. Thanks. --Drono (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, sure. Actually, the reason I started putting the pictures on the category pages was because the Trollshaws Deeds page redirects to the category page, with all the content of the page directly in the category - so there was no other valid place to put it. But maybe that specific redirect is simply an error. The rest of the Deeds pages work fine, see Bree-land Deeds for instance.

Adding them to the Deed template is a nice idea. I will await feedback on how to proceed, then. --Varghedin (talk) 13:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

The Trollshaws Deeds is one of the reasons the category-talk came up. There are pros and cons having contents on category-pages, as well as pros and cons of separating contents onto a separate page and keeping the category almost empty. I guess almost everything in the world has pros and cons and we need to find a balance by trading off either this or that, being pragmatic. But let's see where the discussion takes us :) — Zimoon 16:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the long delay. In the end the following was decided: No images on category pages; One small image that looks like it belongs with the boilerplate/template on e.g. deed pages is fine, no art gallery ;)

Pages that are "styled" (deed, title, and alike) should focus on the data. A category page should never contain anything that does not strictly belong to the pages and sub-categories it contains. I will see if I can find a good Help-page for these guide-lines.

Safe travels, in game and in real life — Zimoon 22:13, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries! Will you or someone else fix up the category pages? --Varghedin (talk) 11:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Let them be until somebody comes across them. Me or anybody. Happy New Year! — Zimoon 11:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Stable-masters Collections Panel

Hi Varghedin! Could I ask you a favour? I believe you have the original for File:Stable-masters Collections map.jpg around. Could you please crop away the "empty" bottom to save vertical space at for example the Stable-master page. Should SSG decide to fill that area with something in the future, yeah, let's hope but wait for that time.

While at it, would you at the same time paste in the leftmost part? At least the one with travel options once you have selected a location, with e.g. West Bree selected. I think it could be pasted "inside" the current frame without going as far down as to the Middle-earth banner. That helps understanding some of the text at the mentioned page as well as the Collections page.

Many warm thanks in advance! — Zimoon 18:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright, fixed it. --Varghedin (talk) 23:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks, you rock! Looking at many location pages now I really miss your touch. Many of your great images are replaced with "higher resolution" but at the same time not the quality you always had. Now I see lots of ground, or too distant, and many other flaws that I remember you never would let yourself down to. But life is life and I understand you have moved on, for most part. Still I will remember you fondly, that touch you had with the "camera"! — Zimoon 00:19, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Water Map

Hi and thanks for , very cool and a lot of work behind that one! :-)

I notice it is PNG and quite large. Could you possibly convert it to JPEG? If you don't have a bot I can help you updating links ofc. — Zimoon 14:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

It was indeed, and I appreciate that you like it. You can start with then, I've uploaded a jpg variant of that. Will need to fix something on the water one first. --Varghedin (talk) 15:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Done! — Zimoon 15:57, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Great! There, bodies of water as jpg assed now too. I will endeavor to use jpgs in future. --Varghedin (talk) 15:58, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Done! And thanks! — Zimoon 16:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I did a new one of also - to be a new and improved version of . Could you do a replace for that one also? --Varghedin (talk) 16:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Done! — Zimoon 16:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! How practical to have a bot like that. I do everything manually and it's slow going --Varghedin (talk) 18:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

New Maps

Please have a look at the boilerplates linked to at Create new location. They were updated recently and the style for == Maps == are not tp use <gallery> but [[File:xxx|400px|text]]. And if many "detailed maps" I suggest even smaller size than 400. Not a big deal, I will revisit those I edited recently and change back to normal style. — Zimoon 19:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, ok - I did feel that those pages that had many maps the pages did get a bit "swamped" so that's why I thought to change to gallery style - so that it's a bit lighter in the look. I did change from 400 to 350 px at the end and that looked more manageable. I will look at the boilerplates. --Varghedin (talk) 19:20, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Palantir content

While we appreciate the enthusiasm, please remember that content from Palantir cannot be added to the wiki. This test server is under an NDA and any material leaked can't be used. Please wait until it is added to Bullroarer and then it can be added with the appropriate tags. I've deleted the changes for now, but please feel free to re-add the information once it is coming from a public server. Thanks Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 21:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi - I was not familiar with Palantir or with any rules regarding it, and I found the maps on Reddit. Thanks for letting me know. --Varghedin (talk) 22:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Clean Maps

I posted clean versions of the swanfleet etc maps in the #project-bullrorer channel of the Discord if you want them, as I see you have updated with the blurry version with game overlay. If you don't want to join the discord you can grab them [here], but it would probably be beneficial for you to join the discord as it is somewhat active. -- Garlo (talk) 02:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I have replaced the previous ones with yours. They are nice maps, I only wish they were larger. --Varghedin (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it's a shame they are sticking with this low resolution even in newer maps. I'll let you know if there are any more changes on the 8th. -- Garlo (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

No further changes to the previously changed maps other than Cardolan, however that has no real changes [See diff], seems like someone maybe just opened it and saved it again. -- Garlo (talk) 23:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

email

I just wanted to let you know your email address bounced and has been removed from the server. The email is not needed here, but does help reset your password and provide notifications. --Lotroadmin (talk) 21:32, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Bree-land Map

Just wanted to say that I think that this map of yours looks absolutely stunning. Very, very impressive work! --Tharondir (talk) 12:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I spent quite a while making it so I appreciate the positive feedback :) --Varghedin (talk) 12:59, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

I checked out the maps, and although they are nice looking and clearer, I don't see the point of them. We have game maps. Plus the outlining is very distracting to me, maybe we should get other opinions? Rogue (talk) 01:02, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

What do you by "outlining"?--Varghedin (talk) 00:01, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Simply meant the borders that outline specific things - like roads, text, etc. Rogue (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I can change those if you have some suggestions as to how they would look better. The text colors are based on the in-game maps and the roads are white to make them very clear. I designed the maps in order to maximize navigation aid where the in-game maps can be confusing some places. I had ambitions on making like a huge composite of at least the Eriador regions with that style, but as it's a lot of work and not necessarily appreciated I will probably stop there. --Varghedin (talk) 13:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Map changes

I just wanted to let you know I've changed Ered Luin Map.jpg to current in game version as that name is what User:Eleazaros/coords.js looks for when generating location lists and it being reverted to the older version broke location lists on lots of pages. I've changed version 2 to be the old version for historical purposes though I'm not sure its entirely necessary to have the older version on area pages as well as the newer version. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions. Eldalleth (talk) 01:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Moving/Renaming pages

Hi Varghedin! When you move (or delete) a page, please make sure to always use the 'What links here' feature (available e.g. on the left sidebar) in order to check for other pages linking to it as well, as you will need to take care of all those links too as part of the process. This does not happen automatically by the system, so you need to do it manually! Otherwise, you will be leaving broken links behind – or links pointing to the wrong page. As was the case now with Dior. Thanks! :)
--Stargazer (talk) 14:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. I almost never move pages so I'm not used to the process. I will endeavour to do better in the future. --Varghedin (talk) 15:29, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Lore Project

Hey, i have seen you have been busy creating and updating a lot of pages, however lot of these edits are debatable and not a small number of them are breaking some of the already established structures. Usually when starting a new big project it is a good idea to layout the ideas and discuss them first with rest of the editors. I would like to ask you to put it on pause, layout out the ides for other editors, so we can discuss how we want to have it on the wiki. Thanks. --Drono (talk) 20:27, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, I can do that. --Varghedin (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

On which page should this discussion be held? --Varghedin (talk) 06:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

There is a Lore Project page already, unfortunately it was never filled with guidelines, plans or any information. But probably can use that discussion page Lotro-Wiki.com Talk:Lore. Maybe will come up with some guidelines for the Lore that we can put on the page later. --Drono (talk) 07:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, i've posted a chat there, but I'm not sure this is necessarily a hot topic that will get a lot of response. Is there anything specific you think should be discussed beyond what I've put there already? I'm not sure what's meant precisely by 'breaking the already established structures'. --Varghedin (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I am going to give you a warning and ask you again to stop with the Lore project and categorization. We are having the discussion now, the one that was supposed to be held before the project started and so far there were no clear conclusions in it. --Drono (talk) 08:02, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Are you banning me from doing anything on the wiki, or what specifically am I being forbidden from doing? Is this specifically about categories? --Varghedin (talk) 07:00, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not banning you from doing anything on the wiki, there is a ban functionality for that. I asked you to stop and discuss the Lore Project. Yes it is also about the categories. --Drono (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Do I now have permission to edit again, based on what's been discussed? --Varghedin (talk) 07:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion is ongoing and no decision has been made. As you yourself said; it might not be a "hot topic" – which means it may take some time, and you need to allow for that. But you've been asked to stop, twice, on the Lore project and related categorisation specifically. Stop means just that; stop. If you want to work on something else – that's not related to the Lore project in some way, or lore in general – that's perfectly fine! For example, there's still a massive amount of work that needs doing to update and/or implement everything that happened in Update 35... ;) --Stargazer (talk) 15:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Images on Quest Pages

Hi Varghedin, we noticed your current work. Please wait before adding further banner images to quest pages. Adding these pictures is a widespread change that first should be discussed.

Additionally adding the pictures broke the quest page layouts. The content list is supposed to be in the quest text box and not at the top of the pages. Feuerhaar (talk) 16:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

OK, sorry about that. --Varghedin (talk) 16:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I see what I did with the table of contents, so I went on back and fixed it on those pages. I also added a discussion on the Quests page, not sure if it's the right place for it. --Varghedin (talk) 17:16, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Permission

Hello Varghedin! I love your maps! Would you like to give the Tolkien Gateway, a Tolkien-wiki, permission to use your maps and images on the Tolkien Gateway under Free Use? Aenorean (talk) 18:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure, you can definitely use them on your site :) --Varghedin (talk) 11:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC)