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Verified template

It doesn't seem like the Verified template is working as intended. If you leave out the update parameter, it uses the currentupdate template - but that means that when the currentupdate is updated, all the verifications are dragged along with it when they shouldn't be. For example, A Warden's Cunning - Tier 1 says it was verified in October of last year, for the update that just released a month ago. We either need to remove that condition, or else make it substitute the current update rather than linking to the template.

(I know you didn't create the template yourself, but you're the one who's been making the most use of it so I thought I should bring this to your attention.) -- Elinnea (talk) 15:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I agree that it should subtitute the current update instead of just using the template. I'll see if I can make that correction. --Gaerlin (talk) 16:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Looking at this I realize that substition is not possible, because we have no way of modifying the original page to "pin" the Verified as occurring at a specific update. This is the reason that the date/time is a required property. The best way to specify an verification as corresponding to a specific update is to put {{subst:CURRENTUPDATE}} in the fourth parameter of {{Verified}}. I will modify the template instead to not show any update number if one isn't supplied with a parameter. At least that way it will be less misleading. --Gaerlin (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
What are those 6 numbers after date parameter in the template?
Steppenwolf (talk) 09:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)Steppenwolf
That's the date/time format that {{subst:CURRENTDATE}} uses, which is in the format YYYYMMDDHHMMSS. The HHMMSS part isn't shown in the output of the template however. --Gaerlin (talk) 16:24, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Scaled Items

Do not change tool-tips of scaled items from cap level to dots, it looks awfull... And do not change size of 100px tables, I'm trying to uniform it...
Steppenwolf (talk) 06:37, 22 July 2017 (UTC)Steppenwolf
I actually like the dots because it accurately communicates that the values for those fields varies by level. If we're not going to use dots, we need to come up with some other way on the tooltip to indicate that it is a level-scaled item. Just putting the level 105 values on there is misleading because, just looking at the tooltip, you'd never realize it is level-scaled. Maybe we can add a "scaled = y" parameter to Template:Item Tooltip that displays some grey text in the tooltip saying "This item is level-scaled" or something like that. Thoughts? --Gaerlin (talk) 12:08, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Better than dots anyway... Dots are annoying, numbers at least give you some idea about attributes ratio...
Steppenwolf (talk) 15:34, 22 July 2017 (UTC)Steppenwolf
We've been using the dots for a long time in skills, most of which scale in some way - for example, Fiery Ridicule. I'm not claiming it's the best, but it does make sense to indicate in some way when part of a tooltip scales with level. Just using the level cap value is not good, because then as soon as the level cap is raised, the tooltips are stuck with a random value of whatever was the level cap at the time when the item was added to the wiki. Some people have tried to reverse-engineer ratios or formulas to display in the tooltips, but then they change those in-game and it becomes a mess.
We've never found a perfect solution. Using either ... or x in place of a value, and then providing the specific values in a table if needed, has worked pretty well for the page itself, but isn't as helpful when you're just reading the mouse-over tooltip. Using the triple dots for item level itself at least has the advantage that it gets added to Category:Item Level ...-- Elinnea (talk) 01:08, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
First, those who are really interested in values of other than cap level items will enter the item page and read tables... Those who need basic info only will read mouse-over tool-tip... If tool-tip is with dots, they will know only what attributes are involved, but will absolutely have no idea what amount to expect... If it says +... Might, +... Vitality, it can be +999 Might, +100 Vitality, or +100 Might, +999 Vitality, or +100 both, or +999 both, or any other ratio and no one will have idea if that's might based item, vitality based item, or balanced item, or whatever... But if it says +300 Might, +150 Vitality for cap level, they will have idea what to expect for lower level items... "scaled = Yes" parameter would be good addition to tool-tip, better than dots in every sense...
Steppenwolf (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)Steppenwolf

Scaling Items

Please see discussion on the Talk Page of the Boilerplate: Item help page: Talk:Boilerplate:Item#Scaling_Items_revisited
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:48, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Template patching -- Template:Crafting

Since you seem at home with CSS and Templates...

This template is used in the "New Recipe" process. Template: Crafting
See the last comment (from 2014) on the talk page Template talk:Crafting
It's still broken.

I've looked and can't find the issue, but I am now 10+years away from such stuff (I retired in 2006), so "younger eyes" are needed! :)

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 17:28, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
I think I fixed it - take a look and let me know. --Gaerlin (talk) 05:09, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Actually it does look fixed, but existing pages using the template are not updating until they get re-edited/re-saved for some reason. I thought all pages with templates got refreshed automatically by some background process. Is this not the case? --Gaerlin (talk) 13:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Relic template

Note that the Relic Template is apparently broken.
It is definately wierd in that you have to specify the "image" not "icon" value to get the image to diaplay on the page.
Then on the Index page, you get an error instead of the correct pop-up.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 20:58, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
I fixed {{Relic}} such that the "icon" parameter now works. If "icon" is specified it will show it, otherwise it will check if "image" is specified and use that (but "icon" will take precedence). --Gaerlin (talk) 21:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks!
Very strange -- that is how ?all? of the other templates work. I wonder how long that has been broken.
However, the pop-up is still not happening. The basic design of this template is very different from the others which use the ToolTip template.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:06, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Legendary Legacies Index

Truly awesome work!
Creating the page itself is trivial compared to the work involved in collecting the data!
The community appreciates your dedication.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 08:11, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks very much :) I think this fills a gap that's been there for a while, so I'm glad I was able to fill it. --Gaerlin (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Very nice :)

Thanks for the new format of the coordinates lists on the treasure cache deeds pages - sure a lot of work, but it pays off, makes it easier for readers. :) --Dathor (talk) 08:31, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! At some point I'll go back and update the older pages as well so they're all consistent. --Gaerlin (talk) 17:06, 22 August 2018 (UTC)