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LOTRO and DDO have been acquired by Standing Stone Games

See: Standing Stone Games Announcement - December 2016

LOTRO-wiki Disclaimer updated

The disclaimer and the Game_Terms#Legal for LOTRO-wiki has been updated to include the relevant information from our new Publisher: Daybreak Game Company LLC and Developer: Standing Stone Games.

New Logos

  • Here are the couple of logos and Icons which are new with the change in ownership.
There are probably others that are also relevant that I have missed.
Category: Site Images

Orphaned Pages... that aren't orphaned?

  • I think I get the idea behind Orphaned Pages - that they are stand-alone articles without links to or from other articles. If that is truly what the Orphaned Pages is supposed to show, then I am confused. Because looking at the first 50 items listed, 19 are creatures that have an appropriate link from their respective instance or skirmish page under the Mobs section, within an expandable listing. Admittedly, these creatures are not transcluded, but by being listed, aren't they being "linked from"? Or does the bot/script for determining orphan status not see all entries in an expandable list? If they are being "linked from" then doesn't that mean they do not meet the orphan criteria of being "not linked from"? Or has the convolutions of logic escaped me again? -- Squirmier (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I would assume that this is not a live page but one which needs to be refreshed from time to time and has simply become outdated. Somewhere like Wikipedia you might need to refresh this on a daily basis or more often, but on a small wiki like this it's needed rather less often. Someone with the appropriate permissions needs to trigger the script, I guess. —NotACat (talk) 09:18, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks NotACat for your answer. I started to try and wrap my brain around so I saw "orphaned" from the other perspective (ie, glass half-full or empty, but with orphans!) and ummm... lets just say I encountered Rod Serling and he was intrigued. (O-o) ! -- Squirmier (talk) 13:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • What I have noticed with orphans is that some are orphaned if the only links to the page are from categories. If you access them from a drop down list, that is probably from an embedded category list. I don't know whether a clean up process fixes these ones. Noddi (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Noddi, that seems to be exactly what I'm encountering. I'm not sufficiently versed in Categories and their edits to comfortably perform such changes. I'm more then a dabbler, but less then a dedicated editor; my "simple" edits take me at least a couple of hours to craft. So I try to raise questions and point out the tougher issues when I encounter them. Which, quite strangely, seems to be astoundingly often. -- Squirmier (talk) 13:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • IMO, these false positives need to be addressed. They are wasting effort by misleading contributors to track down non-existent errors (3.5+ hours researching the issue before I started this thread). New contributors might get so annoyed they stop contributing altogether. Unless it would require extensive time & resources to correct, I cannot imagine why the status quo would be maintained. -- Squirmier (talk) 13:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Do you have a link to one example? The orphan maintence script found no incorrect orphan pages. Feel free to ask these types of questions on my talk page. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:24, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
I should point out that MediaWiki's defination of a orpahn page
Sadly the categorytree doesn't count but there's been a few feature requests, but the sole response was it wasn't possible.
An alternate approach is to focus on pages without categories. I will review the extensions to see if there's a way to build an alternate list of orphans without categories.. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:59, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
There are only 4 orphan pages without categories and i found those after creating a simple extension that i will enable after some more testing. With a newer version of MW, i will try to add a hidden category for all pages with category tree and craft another extension to find orphans without that tag on the page. --Lotroadmin (talk) 00:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
that is cool and will save someone like me who is keen to clean up the problems a huge amount of time.Noddi (talk) 10:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

indexing multi-level items

While working through the low level vendor and intro items, I have found many items with a similar name but different levels. These are being created with "(Level xx)" in their Wiki page name. Over the years there have been several attempts to index these, usually involving the item name without the level indicator, and a manually added list of pages with similar names or some comment about there being multi levels. I have a proposal to organise these. For each multi level type, create a sub-category for that type (eg, Bear Knife items), as a sub page of the type of weapon category. (eg, Dagger items). Then in each weapon page use the additional 1st, 2nd... category pages to add the page to sub-category. For each group created, create or modify the generic item page (eg Bear Knife) to include the category tree, similar to what I did for beasts. This will automate the indexing of these multi-level items. Feasible? If interested I will set up Bear Knifes as an example. Noddi (talk) 02:59, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm for this change, setting it up like Category:Star-lit Crystals, and in turn Category:Legendary Items would be great for better organization, in my opinion. Balorgor (talk) 06:13, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
see Item:Bear Knife, Category:Bear Knife Items and Category:Dagger Items for an example of how this will look with this set-up. Is this fine or are there better ways of doing this?Noddi (talk) 10:19, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Standing Stone Interview with - new details on Update 20

From Reddit:

Originally posted by Fashero:
On Update 20
We plan to release Update 20 around our anniversary, which will feature a region called the Wastes. Players will adventure through the bleak Noman Lands, face danger in Dagorlad, and travel to Mordor’s very Slag Hills. We will take players to the Battle at the Black Gate, which is Lord Aragorn’s last and desperate attempt to divert the Enemy from its true demise. We’ll have two capstone resource dungeons that can be played in both solo and fellowship modes in the Towers of the Teeth. Update 20 will also feature an expansion of our Flora system, reputation barter items, and more.
On the Mordor Expansion
We will be releasing a new Producer’s Letter shortly that will outline our plans for 2017, but we intend to release Update 20, then focus on our 10thAnniversary, prior to releasing the Mordor expansion for Update 21. We are aiming to have a new race, the High Elf, released with Update 21. Update 22 will round out the year, but at this point, we’ll keep its contents under wraps. We also want to update our character avatars to make them even better looking.
On the game after Mordor
We have a rich trove of lore to mine from the books, so finding things to develop is sort of the easy part! Our team has been progressing our Epic Story at a steady pace, so the path of the Epic Story serves as a good place to start when deciding where to develop next. We typically look at where we are, where we are going, and what is the most exciting way for both us and players to get there. For a long time our community has been able to follow the path of the characters and events that Tolkien wrote, but soon we will begin focusing on adventures that lie beyond the War of the Ring, with Aragorn seated upon the Throne of Gondor. New heroes will need to take up the mantle, and those heroes will be the players.

Update 20 now up on Bullroarer

Lots of new stuff - -

Just the first couple of things from the Release notes:

  • The world has a new area, "The Wastes" with 3 new regions: Noman-lands, Dagorlad, and the Slag-hills. You can access this area and start the new quest content in the Camp of the Host.
  • Two new resource dungeons: After completing the required quests, you can enter solo versions of Skoironk and Carchost using the doors found in the Slag Hills. For the fellowship versions of the dungeons you will need to speak to nearby npcs after completing the fellowship quests.
  • Four more custom tabs have been added to the chat panel. Chat tabs are now allowed to display across two rows at the top of the Chat window.
  • New crafting recipes for endgame tokens: Two Host of the West recipes have been added to the Anorien crafting tier for each profession (Cook, Jeweller, Metalsmith, Scholar, Tailor, Weaponsmith, and Woodworker). You can also acquire 2 additional recipes per profession via rep barter, and there is a 1-shot recipe that drops for each profession.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:33, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Renaming the page

I've done a mistake while creating a page Pelennor Essence of Morale. Actually it should be Item:Pelennor Essence of Morale page. Could someone with appropriate rights fix it? Thank you. --Phindecano (talk) 04:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Sure thing, I just moved it. Thank you for contributing to the wiki! Balorgor (talk) 06:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

U20 updates

I've been creating random pages as I've been exploring U20. . .
Which is very much full of placeholders for many things - like the different thing you can barter for
Consequently many of those things are very much arbitrary in what I've created so far and will need to be checked and re-verified as builds progress.
Trying to sort out how they are dealing with the Crafting Recipies is one such area.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 21:07, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

U20 Relase -- apparently to be "next week"

Cordovan announced on March 14:

We are tentatively planning to release U20 next week, if everything this week falls into place.

LOTRO Beacon #5 - a shout-out to the WIKI

"We wanted to give a shout-out to one of LOTRO's most important player resources this week - The LOTRO Wiki! This has been the go-to place for people to get info on the game for years now, and we all appreciate it. Click here to visit the Wiki."

The LOTRO Beacon:

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 23:48, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Yay for shout-outs! That was nice to see. :) - Elinnea (talk) 12:37, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

It's April -- the 10th Anniversary is coming! - 4/20 10AM

The 10th Anniversary date is April 24th!

The event itself is scheduled to start 4/20/17@10am and end at 5/9/17@3am.

"There is also a specific 10th Anniversary-related event that is not yet on the calendar... "

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 12:54, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Housing Update

Hi, I'm new to! I have started updating with all the housing changes with the new slot counts. I will also eventually be adding the new housing tool and how to use it. Please let me know if there is any feedback or anything in particular you (admins & leaders) would like me to work on. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Knight7671 (Contribs • User Talk) at 23 May 2017.

Welcome, and thanks for jumping in. The housing pages can certainly use updating, so feel free to make changes wherever you see inaccuracies or room for improvement. Oh, and when you post on a talk page, don't forget to sign it using ~~~~. Cheers! -- Elinnea (talk) 13:02, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Script reloading

There is something (probably inserted ads) on many of the pages that cause the page to be reloaded constantly. Occasionally the script seizes up, but always - always - if you wait long enough the whole browser (firefox) freezes and I have to use task manager to kill it. Please correct this in your pages to keeps the reloads from happening. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sjj668 (Contribs • User Talk) at 11:41, 11 June 2017‎.

It would not be the first time that Ads have caused problems.
Can you identify which ads are causing this. I have not encountered the problem -- although I use Safari on the Mac.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 15:59, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I trapped scrpts from and I doubt they're the only ones.

One ad is definately Arbys. Piza slider.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
The ad source is "Turn Ads" - - they appear to specialize in automated ads which constantly loop.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 11:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
These ads are becoming more and more annoying. They severely impact the ability to edit pages as they keep changing page focus to display the ad.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:05, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
None of these ads networks are showing up in the list to block. If you see this issue on Chrome, you can report the ads, but doesn't help with safari otherwise try to grab the URL and email it to me. Sadly I run three browsers, safari as my main with script and ad blockers enabled for annoying sites, firefox unmodified but removes cache on start up (useful to debug webpages) and finally chrome for the occasion use of flash (not much of a need anymore..) --Lotroadmin (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Update 21: Mordor

I have begun accumulating notes on the new expansion.
The first pass goes live on Bullroarer late on Friday 23 June. It will apparently be active only over the weekend, i.e. through Monday, probably at 9 or 10 AM EDT.
SSG is projecting/planning multiple weekend sessions, probably through the month of July. Nothing has been definately announced though. I.e. no release date yet.
I have not figured out how to integrate the new informatin yet. The existing Mordor page doesn't seem up to the task.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 14:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Hacking by Kermit

Did we figure out how Kermit was able to get enough privilege to edit all the pages he/she defaced? Have we done anything to mitigate that vulnerability in the future? --Gaerlin (talk) 13:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

All new users have the ability to edit pages. Pages can be protected to different levels, but that impacts normal new users as well. Incidents like this are rare, and usually taken care of pretty fast, so it's whether it's worth putting extra barriers in the way of normal use in order to prevent them. Most of the crucial pages/templates are already protected, so I would lean towards not needing a lot of extra protected pages. Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 14:20, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
  • As one of two people over on the DDOwiki side, I've dealt with a lot of spam etc. I've found the best way to deal with this is with for the first 50 edits until they get autoconfirmed or until an admin overrides the need for CAPTCHA by giving them a group (we use DDOwikiVIP, you'd probably use Ninjas [although you have some stuff in there many people in general shouldn't have access to in my opinion]). These are just my thoughts on the matter, and although we get a fair number of spam accounts, they rarely actually edit (create) a page, and almost never more than one. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 12:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
One of the issues we have with editing spam is mostly the philosophy with mediawiki is to make it as easy as possible to edit and script away the spam. So there's not a lot of option we have to fight spam.
  • brute force: both server side and a special page to black list key words (feel free to edit, but don't list the page here, it's an easy search to find it on mediawiki) -- Not the most friendly option either..
  • user block: as soon as we notice a spammer, we need to block them ASAP.
  • autoblock: once the user is blocked any IPs that account attempts to create will be blocked including other accounts hitting that IP address
  • spam blacklist: mediawiki runs a blacklist of IP addresses that we utilize
  • confirm edit - 'questy' - causes the user to answer a question on account creation, adding a URL and a few other triggers...
  • page projection - critical pages and templates are all protected where you need certain rights to edit.
This 'blocked' attack seems to have been two IP addresses one of which is a known spam address, but that IP address didn't do the edits.. I no longer have the logs for the kermit attack, but I will try to snag the IP address on the next attack to see if the locations are the same.
It's interesting to see the spam change over the years too, early on it seemed to be all about websites getting better search rankings so having other higher rank sites link to them helps improve their rankings. The latest trend just to seems to be an exercise of fun or perhaps a government agency testing out a new bot before they unleash it elsewhere...just kidding.. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:17, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Sunflower Steed Revisions

I uploaded a screenshot during the Summer Festival:

Someone has attempted to overwrite the file with their own. I have reverted the changes twice and messaged the contributor, encouraging them to submit a second picture for the item page.

They claim the picture is somehow erroneous because it's a dwarf on a pony, not an elf on a horse. To me, it makes better sense to have the second picture, rather than overwriting mine. What can I do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fingeldor (Contribs • User Talk) at 27 jul 2017.

Just make two pictures, [[File:SunflowerSteed-Horse.jpg]] and [[File:SunflowerSteed-Pony.jpg]] and link both to the page. --Gaerlin (talk) 02:19, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Heh, I suggested the same approach on Talk:Sunflower Steed. (The precise name of the image files doesn't matter that much.) --Ravanel (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

LOTRO-Wiki gets a shout out in the LOTRO Beacon #20

LOTRO-Wiki gets a shout out in the LOTRO Beacon #20:

"The LOTRO Wiki has been working hard to gather info for Mordor. [[Mordor|Click here]] to check it out!"
  • BTW: Anybody heading in to Mordor, please help flesh-out the framework I've created. There is a lot of "stuff," but very little detail.
Many quests in Udûn exist, but have not been completed yet.
Similarly, most everything is still headed with the BETA tag. As you validate and/or update things, please remove those tags.
If you are looking for Beta pages, remember they can be found at Category: Stubs/Beta

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 22:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Cool stuff! I prefer to go in dark, not knowing anything about Mordor until it's there to be experienced, so that's why I'm not helping out. Really appreciate everything you're doing for those that do like a sneak peek, though! And it's great to have the framework there so we can start perfecting things once Mordor is live. --Ravanel (talk) 10:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
I've just gathered all new virtue values. :) --Gisel Avaleazar (talk) 10:45, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Problem with updating image icon

I'm trying to fix the skill icon for Unerring Strike. For some reason it's showing the icon for Mighty Blow. When I upload the Unerring Strike image, something weird is happening. If you look at the history at, you can see that the latest version looks like Mighty Blow, even though I've uploaded the Unerring Strike image three times now. Unhelpfully, it is showing the correct icon in 2nd and 3rd items in the history, but if you revert to those versions, it continues to show the Mighty Blow icon for the current version. Strange? Thurallor (talk) 19:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Answered this on your talk page. --Ravanel (talk) 14:10, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Page protection indicators:

Technical 13 (Contribs • User Talk) @ August 9, 2017, 5:53 PM (EDT):

I have a question that you may know the answer to @Elinnea#7673 (Contribs • User Talk) -- Does lotro-wiki have any page protection icons like enwp has the various coloured locks (<>) and DDOwiki has various coloured die (<>)?

If not, do you have a recommendation of what might be appropriate for lotro-wiki - if anything?

Elinnea (Contribs • User Talk) @ August 9, 2017, 5:56 PM (EDT):

No, I don't know of anything to indicate a page's protection status visually Different colored rings does come to mind, if we wanted to have one...

Technical 13 (Contribs • User Talk) @ August 9, 2017, 5:57 PM (EDT):

I'd be happy to create the rings and get things set up, if we can put together a consensus to do this.

Elinnea (Contribs • User Talk) @ August 9, 2017, 5:59 PM (EDT):

You could start a discussion topic on the Contributor's Corner talk page, see if others have thoughts about it

Hm, those quotes take up rather a lot of space. As for the page protection icons, is there a need to indicate page protections visually? It doesn't seem like something that has people confused or asking questions, so I wonder what the purpose is. -- Elinnea (talk) 21:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Wondering the same as Elinnea. Generally speaking, I'd only add things if they are in demand. After all, the more buttons everywhere, the more cluttered pages will look, and the harder it will be for people to quickly find the info they need. --Ravanel (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Page protection information appears at the top of any protected page when you try to edit it, if you do not have the proper level of access.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:20, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

A big whoopsie. . .

In all of the excitement around the Release of Mordor, I seem to have neglected to update the Talk Pages Watch list.

Consequently, there are a bunch of pages that folks may or may not have seen befor, now on the "Recent Discussions" page.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, Magill. I really appreciate your tracking of the talk pages. Makes it a lot easier for me to keep track of what's going on and help out with problems when possible. --Ravanel (talk) 11:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
And here I'd completely forgotten that updating the watchlist page was a thing you had to do. Thanks for keeping us up to date. :) -- Elinnea (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Newly created Quests are missing dialog

I have belatedly noticed that several of the Category:The Black Book of Mordor Quests are missing character dialogs.
Belatedly meaning, that I had already completed the quest before I noticed the missing dialogs, and therefore could not cancel and repeat it to capture the dialog.
I have marked them with "{{Stub/Quest|nocat=y}}"

The quests were created capturing the information only from the Quet Log -- which does NOT capture any of the NPC dialogs!

Anyone who has not yet done these quests - please capture the NPC dialogs and edit them into the quests.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 19:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I haven't got the Mordor expansion yet - I'm waiting for it to be released for purchase with LPs this winter - but when I do my top priority will be going through the quests and checking them against the wiki. Having the stub as a signal to pay attention is helpful. I'll do my best to clean up any that are still unfinished at that time. Of course, if somebody comes along before then and finishes the job, all the better! -- Elinnea (talk) 12:53, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Bullroarer Update 21.2 - Preview - new instances

Update 21.2 (the instances) are now up on Bullroarer.

From the release notes:
Focus for this Beta:
During this beta session, we want to encourage all of you to try out the new instances: “The Dungeons of Naerband” and “The Court of Seregost”. We would particularly appreciate any feedback you may have on the difficulty of the instances at level 115 (tier 1 or tier 2). On Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (9/14 - 9/17) members of the QA team will be looking for full groups running those instances (in particular the 6-person “The Dungeons of Naerband”) and will offer a lotro points code to a randomly selected player from those full groups a few times each day.

French and German pages

Posting this for consideration. Recently, some French and German pages have been added. While I'm all for putting all the info we have out there, this is not something that has been supported on the LOTRO-wiki historically. The closest we have is the translation of the sidebar into various languages, but that's just the interface, not the content itself. We currently have no framework to support this. How do we handle this? Thoughts?

Original message (taken from Talk:Tales of Gorgoroth):
"Sorry but I wouldn't be entirely sure where else to put this.
Regarding having added a german and french links, we'd really appreciate it if they could stay. I know it does not appear to be the norm here but we're having so many people confused about Tales of Gorgoroth deed who don't talk english. This would make our lives a lot easier. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BID (Contribs • User Talk) at 20 Sep 2017."

--Ravanel (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

We've attempted and pondered about this in the past:
First Attempt: We've tried a french wiki a very long time ago and it wasn't really maintained and had to close it as it was overran with spam. This 'interlanguage' approach was a completely separate site using interwiki links making it easy to match up french to the english pages.
Second look: a few years back we considered having multiple language via subpages (main/fr, main/de etc) but the search results wouldn't filter based on user's preferred languages and we tabled it for a later date. The key request was the ability to select preferred language(s) in the search results. My key concern is recognizing spam or have enough admins to monitor the other language subpages.
Since then someone has started a french wiki, it doesn't seem very active lately but i'm sure they would love the help. I know mediawiki was the example we used for the second look, but since started, we haven't discussed it since. I do know a signifiant portion of this website traffic goes through translating websites. They are welcome to enable interwiki links to this website, and I would enable it for their website.
With that said, i don't mind if there are a few french and german subpages around as this will allow me to keep tabs on how mediawiki progressed with 'cirrussearch' extension. I would ask that we use a hidden category to keep track of these subpages and there would need to be a method (template) that would point to the subpage. Today the website is configured to use the sphinx search engine with a custom special character map to make searching easier and it's quick with very little overhead. Cirrussearch would have to also allow for a custom special character map and also a low overhead search engine. Should i dig into the cirrussearch and the universal language extensions?
--Lotroadmin (talk) 02:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi! I didn't mean to spark anything bigger with this or make more work for anyone. Considering that germans who don't speak english won't 'fight' with the wiki for long enough to get that one german page, the main purpose I had in mind was to link straight to the page/s when necessary. If you'd rather not have them linked to the rest of the wiki or on english pages I'd completely understand. Regarding the french page I think it would be more sensible to move it over to the french wiki, so that would be one less mess to deal with here, and they still have the info.
--BID (talk) 08:13, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
You get tickets about deeds? *raises eyebrow* Anyway, adding french pages to the french wiki sounds like a great plan. Will you take care of that, BID? As for the German pages, is it just Geschichten von Gorgoroth or are there more? Lotroadmin's suggestion sounds good to me (although the tech talk goes beyond me!). I'm not sure how to create hidden pages, but I can try to figure something out if I find the time. --Ravanel (talk) 09:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
  • All I can say is ... According to Arkanur on the main Bullroarer forum, his signature sates: "Editor on the French Lotro-wiki ("
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 12:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
I'll do the french page thing or atleast throw it at someone who knows french if i can't figure it out myself, so that Récits de Gorgoroth can be deleted and I'm about to edit it out of the regular Tales of Gorgoroth. (I'm going to later figure out where to request a delete, sorry just got back.) (added the delete thingy to it)
-BID (talk) 15:53, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Deleting a couple of pages created in error


I've been working to add some of the missing pages for the various regions of Mordor's Deeds and Titles. In that process, a few pages for titles were created in error, with typos in the name: [[Treasurer Seaker of Udûn (Title)|Treasurer Seaker of Udûn]], [[Treasure Seaker of Dor Amarth (Title)|Treasure Seaker of Dor Amarth]] and [[Treasurer Seaker of Lhingris (Title)|Treasurer Seaker of Lhingris]].

I have created the corrected pages: Treasure Seeker of Udûn, Treasure Seeker of Dor Amarth and Treasure Seeker of Lhingris

Would someone with permission please remove the three incorrect pages from the wiki?

Thank you!

Dolenaglar (talk) 23:36, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

I have deleted the duplicate pages with incorrect titles. Make sure you update any pages that linked to the bad pages to link to the good pages now. --Gaerlin (talk) 00:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll watch for broken links.

Dolenaglar (talk) 00:49, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Pro tip: you can request deletion of a page by adding {{Delete Page|Reason}} to that page; that way it ends up in a category that's regularly sorted out by other contributors. --Ravanel (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Skills and traits are duplicated

It feels wrong to me that a class' skills and traits are listed twice: first on the class' overview page, and then on separate skills and traits pages. I think it would be right to remove the duplicate information from classes pages, maybe with addition of Template:Main. Burglar page will need some more flavour text or maybe a Stub template.

ENDrain (talk) 01:50, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I disagree, unless I misunderstand you (in that case, please clarify). Class pages should give an overview of everything that is relevant for the class: this includes skills and traits; individual skill pages should only mention the traits that affect / modify the skill in some way (this is useful information).
As for the transclusion of pages like [Class] Skills in the main class page: this is a common way of managing pages with lots of data on wikis, and it's done all over the LOTRO-wiki for large pages. It makes it easier to find your way when editing the page and it allows readers the choice between viewing the component pages separately or together. The transcluded pages should always link to the composite page, so it's easy to navigate. For more info on transclusion, see Wikipedia: Transclusion - Applications of transclusion. --Ravanel (talk) 11:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
By "separate skills pages" I meant pages like this. I didn't know about transclusion and didn' realise these pages are transcluded into class articles. Thank you for clearing this up, case closed.
ENDrain (talk) 17:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Relevance template

Sometimes I come across articles that are not exactly "outdated". The information on these pages is accurate, but is not presented in the light of later updates and recent changes, and so can be slightly misleading for a new player. Draigoch page would be an example of such article - to an inexperienced player it might give the impression that Draigoch is still normally run by 12 or 24 people rather that 6.

My idea is, it would be nice to have a template that marks which update an article or a subsection is relevant to. With such template it would be useful to track whether an article or its part is up to date, both for readers and editors. Not too large, something like this:

Template:Sandbox | 17.2

ENDrain (talk) 02:10, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

This is a constant problem as the game is constantly being modified, and many changes are never pointed out in the Release notes.
Similarly, many pages are simply not visited regularly by anyone knowledgable about the particular content of the page.
Draigoch is a good case in point -- I had no idea it had been downgraded from a 24 to a 6 person raid! When I last did that content, it was a 24 person raid!
Any visitor to any WIKI can trivially determine the currency of the content of any page by looking at the page history. I do this constantly with the Wikipedia itself for exactly that reason -- you can't tell if the article is current or not otherwise. But that is why the History is there, not just as a way to point fingers at whoever changed something.
Other than that, you can always sign an article with the verified tag: Template:Verified/doc -- Discontinued
This tag is not as widely used as it should/could be. For one thing, it is "relatively" new -- only been around since 2014. But it has been used frequently in newer content.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 20:57, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Draigoch wasn't "doungraded" to 6-person, I should've said that he is commonly run by a fellwoship. I'll use these Verified and Obsolete templates, thanks!
ENDrain (talk) 18:23, 3 February 2018 (UTC)