User talk:ENDrain
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Re: Quest:The Grey King
Hi there I saw your add Obsolete Tag in Moderation for Quest:The Grey King and just wanted to confirm how you discovered it was obsolete. It still is showing in data on Lotro Companion (but that doesnt necessarily mean anything). Looks like it has prerequisites of Quest:A Half a Threat and Quest:Meet the Stoors are those still there? I dont know if you have just recently done Enedwaith etc was how you discovered it? Thanks Eldalleth (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. That was more than a year ago so I don't remember the exact details, but I'm sure I've checked this thorouglhy before submitting a deprecation tag.
To the best of my memory, this quest is a landscape one now, bestowed upon killing the Grey King in the instance along with another quest.
I just wanted to keep this wiki updated, but now I don't even remember what was that about. I understand you're only doing your job, but if this wiki is to be relevant you need to assume good intent in proposed edits.
ENDrain (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello. That was more than a year ago so I don't remember the exact details, but I'm sure I've checked this thorouglhy before submitting a deprecation tag.
- Thankfully I was able to determine today when it was brought back up that the quest is still valid, via another editor, as are the other quests I mentioned.
Regarding your other comment about me only doing my job, I'm a volunteer Director just like all the other editors on this wiki I do not get paid for this.
I do however follow the guidelines that all editors should follow of making sure information is accurate when submitted and where its drawn from if unsure, which is where my original comment stemmed from.
And I don't think we have any problems with this wiki being relevant since its been around since the game started and is referenced frequently by players and SSG employees alike so I'll continue to ask questions about edits. Have a good day. Eldalleth (talk) 22:58, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thankfully I was able to determine today when it was brought back up that the quest is still valid, via another editor, as are the other quests I mentioned.
- I am sorry for the poor choice of words I've made. What I wanted to say is "to keep information on this wiki relevant". There's no doubt in relevance of this wiki, I am sorry that I came off this way.
On my side I can confirm, via character data export with Lotro Companion and in-game quest log, that my character has the Quest:Instance: The Grey King completed but NOT the Quest:The Grey King. I found the quest-giver in the world and they have nothing to offer me except a repeatable. So I'm fairly sure that the quest in question is obsolete, otherwise we are dealing with come very specific bug which from my understanding of the game's mechanics is simply not possible.
I think we may agree that at least this is worth investigating.
ENDrain (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am sorry for the poor choice of words I've made. What I wanted to say is "to keep information on this wiki relevant". There's no doubt in relevance of this wiki, I am sorry that I came off this way.
- I think I know what's going on. I've completed Quest:Instance: The Grey King while on Quest:Danger in the Hills before accepting Quest:The Grey King, and this way lock myself out of starting the latter. Lotro Companion says that both quests mentioned require the instance not to be completed. Adding a Walkthough edit now.
ENDrain (talk) 20:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- I think I know what's going on. I've completed Quest:Instance: The Grey King while on Quest:Danger in the Hills before accepting Quest:The Grey King, and this way lock myself out of starting the latter. Lotro Companion says that both quests mentioned require the instance not to be completed. Adding a Walkthough edit now.
Ettenmoors Quests
Hi I appreciate the work I see you doing with the Ettenmoors Quests. I did want to note over the last few years we've been trying to return to the original goal of the wiki of Text on Pages not on Category pages. Its a long process so there is a lot that hasn't been gotten too including the Category:Ettenmoors Creep Quests and Freep Quests.
I've gone ahead for now though and approved the one you had in moderation for Category:Ettenmoors Creep Cultivation Quests and would ask when you have time to please move it to a plain quests page.
If you really have some time *wink* feel free to move any of the creep or freep Category quest lists on to pages as well. Just would need to make sure that anything in the What links here is updated to proper links.
I understand though if its not something you have time for as we all have lives outside the wiki and game. Eldalleth (talk) 22:19, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi! I love tidying up. Could you provide an example of the format we are going for please?
ENDrain (talk) 03:21, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Sure thing basically its copying the data from category to page. There are a few options for formatting I'll give a couple of examples.
Usually with say a new region we would break it into areas for readability and each area would have its own page but also be transcluded on the main named page like this The Harlond (King's Gondor) Quests is transcluded on to here King's Gondor Quests.
Similar is started on Ettenmoors by the looks of Category:Dâr-gazag Quests problem is ones like this need to be on a page like the Harlond example above. Here's another example of formatting though the level is less necessary since Ettenmoors Quests are all max level. The Yondershire Quests
Hope that helps any feel free to ask questions. Also if you haven't already joined the Wiki Discord https://discord.gg/qhhtRnE its helpful for more real time answers when needed. Eldalleth (talk) 04:47, 29 July 2025 (UTC)