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Changes to How to Start the Access Quest Series Dec 2018 and later

There have been several changes to the requirements and methods of accessing the War Steed. When I first did it, I had to be 75, and I had to start it from the in game email. Later I could go to The Wold, and seek the Rohirrim scout on the path from Stangard to Langhold, but it was advisable to be level 71 so the lowest level bridles could be equipped. Now, some parts of the documentation show that it either is or was possible to get a War Steed at lower levels than 70+. I haven't tried that. But I did notice **the quest start moved from the roadside to the entrance of Langhold** where Dala will now offer you the quest "The Wold" without any other requirement. Note that low level characters will activate the long distance aggro, so go with a someone to guard you. It's a good idea to get the steed as quickly as possible even if you're not using it, so it can gain War Steed Experience from Holiday quests that only offer it if you have it. Acatlover2 (talk) 00:00, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

no, none of this is recent changes in the game. this page already mentions Dala at Langhold at lv71 (first sentence under "How Do I Get My Warsteed" section). i haven't checked recently, but as i recall, the npc-on-the-road you're referring to is who you are directed to if you wait until lv75 (74?) and open the Aid of Rohan letter first, and i believe this still functions that way in the game. (i have a character nearing that level and will try to verify.)

the letter was probably intended as a breadcrumb for Isengard-era levelcap characters. i had a mix of Isengard-cap toons and lower-level characters when the Rohan expac dropped, and i'm pretty sure the Langhold quests could be started at lv71 at that time (or else that capability was added before Wildermore). you're probably remembering a character who was at levelcap during Isengard, so was already lv75 when Rohan came out, instead of an actual lv75 requirement.

'"some parts of the documentation show that it either is or was possible to get a War Steed at lower levels"' -- i have not seen this anywhere, can you be more specific? are you sure you aren't seeing documentation related to Aria of the Valar (Details)? the package apparently includes the Mounted Combat trait.
Taz (talk) 17:37, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Page creation questions

Ok... starting to put some words together here... I'm assuming that things are "pretty close" to final form, but who knows....

A) does any of this make sense?

B) should the "Tutorial information" be done via screen shots (as it is now), or transcribed into text. I'm beginning to think that transcribing into text will both look better as well as be much easier to reference. AND I do expect a lot of cross referencing to be done.

C) some of the categorization here is probably less than optimal.

D) This page was conceived especially as a mechanism to cover stuff NOT in the in-game tutorial -- of which there is a huge amount, like the stuff about the LI Bridle.

What I've written so far is only the tip of the iceberg of information about the LI Bridle and its "relics." (Bridles have their own "special" relics, and how they "interact" is currently /bugged (as in they decon into "normal" relics...) and no comments have yet stated "Works As Intended."

A question is -- If you are a F2P player are you offered all 3 bridle types at the completion of the quest? And do you therefore simply have to know in advance that you can only ever get a Medium War-steed and should choose your reward accordingly?

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

Changes to Reduce Complexity

I have been collecting "notes" from various announcements and PR in User:Magill/Projects-ROR-War-steed, and from what I can tell so far, the original idea of allowing the War-steed combat abilities on its own, as we saw in "Discovering the Descendent" are now completely history.

Only Favour of the Mearas remains, apparently unchanged, but I'm not certain of its implications at this time. One question, for example -- if you did not pre-order and/or complete the Discovering the Descendent quests do you/can you still obtain the skill.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 14:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

I believe it was noted by some of the devs that the Mounted Combat system has been further and further simplified over time, as they found that the more complex versions proved unwieldy to control. What exactly the more complex versions entailed, I don't know.
That said, no, none of the Descendant's session-play skills are used in Mounted Combat. Favour of the Mearas was not a session-play skill, it's always been a dormant player skill that listed no effect, had a one day cooldown, and wasn't usable since no one on live had a war-steed. In Beta, the skill is a mount heal on a 15-minute timer (I've put a screenshot of the tooltip on the skill's page, since we don't have mount stats in the Skill template just yet).

Required / Not Required Langhold quests (for the purpose of gaining the war steed)

On another note, I noticed that some of the quests that pop up during the Langhold line aren't actually required to finish the deed or get the war-steed. For instance, when the player gets sent down to the South Undeep, two quests pop up in the Easterling camp (one for killing Easterlings and one for gathering Mordor steel from them). The player can actually ignore both quests, do no combat, and instead run around to the end of the camp and peek through the wall to advance the vector quest. They can then run back to the Undeep watch, complete the quest, and be sent on to Utred. Once War Comes to Rohan is complete, the deed for Langhold will complete as well. I should note, though, that completing the full body of the Langhold quests will put a player at Acquaintance with the Men of the Wold, such that they'll finish 'Known to the Wold' at the same time as 'Quests of Langhold'.
This might explain why the Langhold quest deed doesn't have a counter on it, like most quest completion deeds do? -- JnK (talk) 08:08, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

The simplification thing has as much (if not totally) to do with the game engine as to the player mechanics. The actual player mechanics have not changed, only how those mechanics translate into in-game mount activity.

I have the Langhold quest line itemized here: User:Magill/Projects-ROR-Eastern-Rohan#Quests I had not noted the other two quests as "Landscape Quests," but now that you mention it, they, like Venomtounge, are "extras." Hmm... I'm just looking at the screen shots I have -- it seems that there are two deeds which happen as one completes War comes to Rohan...

New Deed: Known to the Wold
New Deed: Friend to the Wold
Completed: Known to the wold
and a title "Survivor of Langhold"

I can't tell if I also got anything about quests in Langhold, unless that is where the title came from. IF for no other reason than the fact the client crashed on me then :( -- the bloody 90 minute MTBF is a serious PITA! Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 22:46, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

Aha just remembered to check the chat log -- Quests of Langhod completed in the line before "New Deed:" :) Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 22:50, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

On simplifying the page

I like a lot of this, but I think it's too much. If you're trying to target the people who are impatient to get their first war-steed, they're not going to want to read through paragraphs of information. Assuming it works the way it is in beta now, the short answer to the question is
  1. Go to Langhold, just south across the border from the Great River
  2. Do every quest in that region's quest chain
  3. Take the quest Devastation in the North that sends you south to Harwick for your War-steed tutorial
The fact that there are two different paths to get there is not really significant here, since it doesn't make any difference to the quests themselves or the war-steed.
Maybe a category page-style quest chain could be added for all the quests leading up to the tutorial, so people can see what quests they need to get through, and if they happen to get off the rails they can find their way again. It would also give a chance to mark as Optional the few quests that are not actually required, if you think that's important. I'm going to be interested to see what exactly is available to a person who has not purchased the expansion.
A lot of what you have written so far could be split onto different pages as well. I would take out most of the "What's it like to ride a War-steed?" section and the descriptions that compare the steed to real-world horses. If you want to keep some of that it could go on the Maeras page perhaps. It's interesting, but not really relevant to learning to use one. Similarly, the gritty details about the bridle can go elsewhere, either as new sections on the Legendary Items page, or on its own page describing the bridles and their relics. My idea of a tutorial is a very simple step-by-step guide with links to other pages for more detailed information.
I agree that the in-game Tutorial information would be better transcribed into paragraphs, and the screenshots removed. It looks better, and opens the possibility of cross-linking.
Also I'm not sure that it's true that the Light and Heavy trait trees are tied to account type. You can see the confusion over that question blossoming in this thread. My understanding was that the trait trees were included with the expansion purchase, and people who haven't bought it would be able to purchase them separately in the Store. Now I don't feel so confident about that, and I can't find any official statement about it just now, although I feel like I read about it somewhere...
-- Elinnea (talk) 00:28, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

Intentionally skipping quests to gain war steed faster

I've just run a new character through the Langhold quests, and this time I tried skipping as many as I could and completing quests one by one, to see which were in fact required. I had to do both of the brigand quests, but not the one about returning stolen goods; both the destroying nests and killing salamanders quests, but not Venomtongue; the peek-through-the-hole quest but neither of the Easterling ones. Then when I turned in War Comes to Rohan I completed the Quests of Langhold deed, even though I had done substantially fewer quests, and I did not get the aquaintance deed completed. I think it's a good hunch that this is why the Langhold deed doesn't have a counter. It shouldn't be hard to test this same thing again on live, in case they still want to change something about the quest line. -- Elinnea (talk) 12:04, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

I updated the quest list, to reflect that. Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2012 (EDT)