Category talk:Recipe Icons

Duplicate Icons? for T11 - Doomfold

Discussion copied from User Talk:Laineth#Duplicate Icons? for T11 - Doomfold

I was just updating an assortment of Crafting pages and noticed that you had created icons for Doomfold Recipes.

The icons for both T10 (Anorean) and T11 (Doomfold) are the same as those of T9 (Westemnet).

I guess it is a toss-up, as the Template automatically picks the icon by <tier><profession> name.

It apparently never happened for T10 (Anorean) - the couple of recipes I looked at for Anorean simply had "Westemnet<profession> in place for their icons.

At any rate, I've updated the table at: Category: Recipe Icons to include your new icons. (Only 3 missing!)

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk

I got the Doomfold T11 recipe icons from the Conquest of Gorgoroth barter NPC. Then as I went through all the professions, I realized many T11 icons look the same as icons for previous tiers. (Not the first time...remember those "red" Polished Emeralds?)

Would it be better to reuse older icons or upload duplicates? Either way, if SSG does create new artwork, someone would have to replace them later.

Then there's the known issue (as of Update 21.0.2) with normal and crit item tooltips. I've been using "TBD" for the crit items, at least until that gets sorted out.

Thanks, Magill! -Laineth (talk)

I would vote for uploading new icons, even if they're duplicates. It happened once before that the same icons were used for a new tier but it turned out to be actually a bug. So they changed the icons for the higher tier, and somebody came on the wiki and uploaded a new version of that icon, so that had to be rolled back and the icon changed manually on half of the recipes and it was kind of a mess. Since they've done a couple tiers in a row with the same icon, it may be that it's intended this time and that situation might not come up again. On the other hand, it's a small set of icons anyway so I don't think it's too troublesome to have duplicates in this case. -- Elinnea (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Just bumping in to say Elinnea's idea seems very sensible to me. Perhaps put a note linking to this discussion in the icon's talk page so nobody accidentally consolidates both icons into one in the future. (I clean up rampant double icons often and that is something I would pay attention to if I'd ever bump into these.) --Ravanel (talk) 09:02, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

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The consensus four years ago was to keep the Doomfold icons despite them being duplicates of the Westemnet icons. Now we have a total of 6 tiers that use the same icons. It seems that SSG won't be updating with new icons any time soon.

I was on my way to start the consolidation when I stumbled upon this discussion. I think we should revisit the decision to consolidate these duplicate icons. Any input on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Dadwhereismom (talk) 19:01, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm with Elinnea on this, actually. It seems to me that it would be a huge advantage to have separate icons for different tiers – even if they look identical – with no particular downsides, really. Mainly because of the aforementioned problem that IF (and perhaps when?) SSG were to change them to be different (which, let's face it, would be a very simple and minor change for them to do, that could easily fit into the timeline of a random sprint for their 'arts department'), we could end up facing a huge mess that would take a lot of time and work – and/or require some scripted/bot-like magicks – to sort out.

The only possible "downside" to this, that I can see anyway, would be the cumulative file size of these in essence duplicate icons. But given the relatively tiny size of each icon (~3 kB), you'd need (several) hundreds of them to reach the same total size as just a single JPEG takes up, and – as Elinnea touched upon – we're talking here about a fairly limited number of icons (napkin math says ~48 in total!?) so it shouldn't be a big concern at all. And that possible drawback is completely dwarfed by the advantage of easily being able to update the separate icon files as and when they are changed, IMHO. :)

So, tl;dr: having separate icon files for each of the different tiers for each profession – even if these icons are, in fact, 'duplicates' (for now) – gets my vote! :D

--Stargazer (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I normally shrug at duplication but considering the icons are about 5 kB each and disk is cheap these days, I agree with Elinnea and Stargazer. Just go for it. If we in a distant future find that the icons have been unchanged for many years and somebody wants to clean up then, fine. But no sooner than many years. — Zimoon 21:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)