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Reporting for duty

Pssst.. remember me? :D Come find me in discord chat sometime so we can catch up! I'd love to talk. And I started playing and am enjoying it again so odds are good i'll be here more. Rogue (talk) 03:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I will look for you this weekend! --Lotroadmin (talk) 02:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Rogue... welcome back.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 02:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Wm Magill - Valamar!! Rogue (talk) 23:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Wiki host

I'm guessing you're the one that hosts this wiki, and as such the one whom I'd have to talk to about adding extensions and adjusting configurations? Technical 13 (talk) 01:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I would be the one, what did you need? --Lotroadmin (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
  • There are a list of things to consider.
  • $wgArticlePath should not be /index.php/$1 -- Wikipedia uses /wiki/$1 and DDOwiki uses /page/$1. In my honest opinion, anything would be better than "index.php".
There's nothing wrong with the default setting that wikipedia uses, and if we changed it would break existing links from all the various fansites that linked here. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Purge is nice to make it much easier for people to clear the cache of a page without having to manually append ?action=purge or &action=purge to the URL for a page.
Done --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Can someone explain how this works? (Or is it really not yet implemented.) The MediaWiki page implies that there should be a new Tab at the top of the page called "Purge" on every page.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
If you click the down arrow between the search box and the "watchlist" star, there's an option that says "Purge". Not sure if that was there before or not. -- Gestrid (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Correct. That was not there before and clicking it will purge the server side cache for the page to render the most current version (See forcelinkupdate for details of what this does in a nutshell. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:ImageMap allows clickable image maps. This is a nice way to have a map of an area with the ability to click on various points of interest and it take you to the page for that poi.
Done --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:14, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
As I read the MediaWiki page, this extension is automatically included with MediaWiki version 1.21 and above -- we are now running 1.23 -- or is that upgrade what = done.:)
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Included with the package does not imply installed or configured. "Automatically included" simply means that you don't have to DL it separately. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:InputBox works great for adding a specific search box to a page or having the ability to create a new page with a preload and set of specific parameters.
CreateArticle Is alive and well here, so give that a go. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • "CreateArticle is used to create articles only (the search features of Inputbox have been removed)" -- The search features are what I was asking for. I don't have an immediate use in mind, however, so I'm willing to stay request of this for now. Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Loops works with the already installed Extension:Variables to be able to process templates with multiple similar parameters or things that can be done repetitively.
Done --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the BackLinks and Anchors are attempting to do, can you describe that a little more. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
/** CSS placed here will be applied to all skins */ h1.firstHeading { display:none; }
This is the CSS for all skins (for all users) on 

1. Indication of namespaces
2. Color classes for content
3. Special pages
4. Main page styling
5. Sidebar external links
6. Extension:Matrix stuff
7. Wikitables, infobox templates, warnings, and other such stylings
8. Some other small things
9. Lotro-Wiki stuff
10.Collapse styles





/***** 3. Special pages *****/

This extension would allow (the source above to render styled as css for one [once the pre is removed] and for two) the gadgets listed above to make it so that would take you to section three on the page. It would also allow you to take the SECTIONS: TOC thing and make it an actual TOC by making links [[#1. Indication of namespaces]], [[#2. Color classes for content]], [[#3. Special pages]], etc. Example usage would be Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Gadgets is a great extension to allow me to move all of the Category:Gadgets I copied over from DDOwiki that I made or modified from Wikipedia into the MediaWiki: namespace and make them easily available for everyone.
Done -- We had this extension in the past and it just didn't gain any traction and was removed in a template reduction a few MW versions ago. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Widgets allows administrators (I recommend against a separate "Widget Editor" group and just add the right to admin) to make gadgets to allow walk-through and tutorial videos from YouTube or Twitter feeds or other widgets like the one for available for people to see.
I've never been a fan of embedded HTML in a wiki just from a security standpoint, but more importantly It makes it more difficult for new editors to update. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Niether am I, which is why only by default only a special trusted group (widget_editors) is permitted. Personally, I'm of the mindset that's not good enough and only administrators should be trusted with such a thing (which is why the special group was deprecated in favor of it being admin only on DDOwiki with the most recent core update). Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like we are in agreement then, we won't be adding this extension. --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I'd still like to see it installed, but I do agree that only a certain set of trusted users should be able to edit things in the Widget: namespace. I'd suggest the threshold be administrators but I would be okay if it was directors and we could all make edit requests on talk pages for it or whatever. Embedded YouTube walk-through videos and official Twitter feeds (Twitter@LOTRO or Twitter@LOTROstore for examples) are very nice to have. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
There's probably other stuff that would make great improvements as well. I don't suppose the localsettings.php is available in a private repo on GitHub or something so I can help there with pull requests? Thanks, and I'd love feedback/discussion about any of these. :) Technical 13 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I already thought this wiki was great.... The local settings file isn't on github. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Fair enough, and I don't expect you to put it up as you don't know me that well yet to trust me to help with such a thing. I'm okay with that... Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
If we changed the URL to /wiki/ or something like that, would we be able to setup a redirect to fix the inevitable broken links we would cause? -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't see anything wrong with the current approach, it's worked find for almost ten years. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • People trying to find a page really shouldn't be dead-ended... The code for the redirect would go in a file named 404.php and look like:
<?php /* header("HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"); */ ?>
LotRO-Wiki page not found: <?php echo 'http://' . $_SERVER["SERVER_NAME"] . $_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"] ?>
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico">
<?php echo '<meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="5; URL=https://' . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . '/index.php' . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] . '">' ?>
<h1>404 error: Page not found</h1>
The URL you requested was not found.

<p><b>Did you mean to type 
        '<a href="https://' . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . '/index.php' . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] . '">'
        . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . '/index.php' . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']
        . '</a>'
?</b> You will be automatically redirected there in five seconds.</p>

<p> Maybe you would like to look at:
<ul><li><a href="/">The main page</a></ul>
<ul><li><a href="/index.php/Special:Search">The search page</a></ul>

There's no reason to change it other than it might look pretty, or the trend from the php junkies is to hide that's it's php. There is no technical merit to make this change. --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • The only technical merit, of course, is the technical limitation of the old folks who play and use the wiki that can't remember the excessively long URLs. But... I digress if that's not a concern. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Another thing I just noticed... Special:ListGroupRights shows (all) as not having (edit) but they have (createtalk), (createpage), (writeapi), (editmyoptions), (editmyprivateinfo), (editmyusercss), (editmyuserjs), and (editmywatchlist) of which none of those will work without an account or (edit). Is that as is intended to not allow anons to edit at all? Technical 13 (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Correct, you have to register to edit a page. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • This makes it really hard for people who don't want to or are afraid to edit to make edit requests on talk pages. I think that should probably be a discussion for a different page to get more community feedback though. I'll propose that anons should be able to edit/create talk pages only perhaps. Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
1) I'm not a fan of anon edits, and it's not that hard to edit a wiki. 2) it minimizes spam, 3) this is the first request for this for the life of the wiki.
It's just not going to happen --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Anonymous editing is really a very bad idea. It leads to flamewars and worse. If people are afraid or don't want to create an account, then they have other problems. The WIKI is not a Chat room. We eliminted that functionality several years ago because, like the IRC they were never used, except by 2 or 3 people.
One cannot use Discord without registering. I see no reason why the WIKI should be any less restrictive.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Moot point, but the wiki should be less restrictive in this because it is intended to by a community built source of information and not just a social/chat site. Technically, anons are registered by their IP addresses, the only real purpose to creating an account is to publicly hide your IP. DDOwiki allows IP/anon editing - there is a VAST amount more spam from registered accounts than non. for example shows that the vast majority of spam accounts are registered. The blocks on IP addresses by me are all IPs that were creating new accounts as fast as I was blocking the old ones. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
It's fine to have the .com here. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Another question: If Lotroadmin was to implement these things (including changing index.php), would there be any downtime while everything was being done? If so, how much (rough estimate)? One reason I'm asking is, because this is likely the number one wiki about LotRO, we can't just go offline (or put up some maintenance page or something) without warning. It would have to be scheduled, and a rough estimate of when the site would go back up would likely have to be given. -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It shouldn't require any downtime. These changes could be implemented on the fly. Technical 13 (talk) 03:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I've marked done of what i've done and commented on items we can discuss. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey, as long as we're importing extensions, a couple useful ones (if they're compatible) could be User link and Ping. Ping comes out as "@USERNAME:" and notifies the user in the parameter that they've been mentioned, both by email (if set up) and by the Notifications feature on Wikipedia. User link does the same thing, but it comes out as "USERNAME". I'm not sure if the current implementation of [[User:USERNAME]] does this already on this site. (Come to think of it, Wikipedia's version of [[User:USERNAME]] also notifies the user.) -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 06:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Both of those are templates that make use of the Notification feature that is only in newer versions of MW. It might not even be release into the wild as it wasn't clear from the MW page. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:30, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Good to know. Thanks for the quick reply. -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Echo (AKA Notifications) Is a good extension to use and is accessible for MW1.23+ which is what is in use here. I just didn't want to ask for too much at once and am not that familiar with this wiki yet to know how it would be received or used. Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I will plan to enable this when i upgrade the MW software... eventually --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Wierd category for this page.

Ok... I give up. Where is the "Category: User talk links to Twitter" entry at the bottom of the page coming from?

I don't see any category statements which would trigger it.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:32, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Technical 13 created the category for his userpage. It was originally used by him on DDOwiki. -- Gestrid (talk) 16:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It comes from the calls to {{OnTwitter}} in the above section. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 20:59, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Does anyone still tweet? Lol. --Lotroadmin (talk) 00:36, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I guess folks still use VHS tapes too... --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Social Media links on this wiki...

I've probably made it clear what social media platforms i find worthless, but with Technical 13 push with social media, which do you feel actually makes sense to support here? I can understand the video related ones, but Facebook and twitter just doesn't appear to me or anyone that i've talked to at several age levels. Of course most of those are not gamers, and as I've avoided the perceived fads, what does make sense? YouTube, Vimeo, Twitch, Discord I see attractive, but IRC, Twitter and Facebook i don't.. (of course IRC isn't considered social media, but it's really the grandad of all this..) Keep in mind they all are supported, even Facebook has been removed from the heavy hammer spam filter, but what really needed. I don't like a lot of "stuff" because we can do it, we've always been on the lean side for customization, and I'm still unsure of what additional benifit these templates actually do provide. --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

I actually started a discussion at Talk:Main Page regarding linking to LotRO's social media from the main page. When the discussion turned to including the Twitch streamers as well, I suggested we just make a page with all the links on them and created a page in my userspace that can be moved to mainspace when ready. See User:Gestrid/Social Media for that page. -- Gestrid (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


Hey, I just noticed the promotion! Thank you! May I ask what I did to deserve it? -- Gestrid (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

For you, it seems like you have the Wiki's best interest in mind, and that you've been editing for the last couple of years. I will admit i'm not perfect at handing out promotions and the like, so if i missed anyone you now have those same powers! --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


We've actually been linked to by LOTRO's official social media! See [1]. -- Gestrid (talk) 20:39, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Once upon a time they listed their "fansites" and we were one of the premium ones. What's interesting is that page hasn't been update since 2013, which is even more cool i think. --Lotroadmin (talk) 02:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I realize this was months ago, but I just now took the time to search through the Internet Archive and found the list! I still kinda miss MyLotRO and the Lorebook. I joined LotRO just a few months before they updated their website (September 15, 2012, according to the My Account website). Gestrid (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

A CategoryTree bug?

This particular "quirk" appears to be an "interaction bug."
I encountered a problem with the Badgers page while attempting to indent the CategoryTree using colons.
When using ":" or "::" to indent the line: <categorytree depth="1" hideprefix="always" showcount="on">Badgers</categorytree> - that CategoryTree line is indented as expected,
however, the Category line at the bottom of the page displays at the left margin, instead of within the bordered area.
This "left justification" tends to overlap the left margin index of the page display.
Workaround: Using Blockquote achieves the desired indent, and leaves the "Category:" line within the display area where it belongs.
"CategoryTree" is an extenstion to the basic MediaWiki - apparently now indtegrated into the base release. See the special page: Special:version, and follow the link to the CategoryTree documentation; the explanation at the top of the page.
Our Version page shows a 2-year gap between the version of Media Wiki and of Category tree. However, on the MediaWiki documentation page, I don't find a version number. It appears to be listed as "Rwlease Status: Stable" and "Latest Version" as "continuious updates" -- which to me implies that it is part of the base relase now.
  • So one question becomes -- do we have an old version installed that is replacing the now released version?
  • Assuming our version is current, the second question then becomes, can you submit a bug report on this behavior.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 12:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
I looked around and we are at the latest "tested" version for the MW release we are on. I hope to spend more time to upgrade the MW version in the coming weeks with the hope that will address this and other issues. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:44, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Music samples

I'd like to add short 30-second audio samples of the various housing music listed on Ambient Music. However, the wiki does not currently allow uploading of .ogg or .mp3 files. Would it be possible to allow these file types and also would this be permitted under our "fan license" from Turbine? --Gaerlin (talk) 15:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled the ability to upload several audio formats, but it's been hit and miss on browser support. Please do avoid any license file formats like mp3 (even though i guess it's okay to decode, but not encode). Lets consider this a test on 1) browser compatibility, 2) server load and 3) we still need to "tune" stuff. I want to lock down the file format to just one really, one that will support the most browsers and least server BW and load. I would like to also have a way to limit the song length, but unsure how best to do that. Sorry for the delayed response here, just been a hectic month for me. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:42, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm not finding a good option so far. Tried .ogg/.oga/.opus (which are all the same format), which will play inline on Chrome and Firefox but not on Safari or IE/Edge (you just get a prompt to download the file so you have to use an external player). Also tried .wav but the files are too big. Also .flac are not reliably supported even on Chrome. Might we consider using .mp3 which is probably the most compatible? According to there's no royalties required for use of mp3 as long as you're an "entity with associated gross annual revenue less than $100,000". My test page is Item:'Tom Bombadil' Theme --Gaerlin (talk) 14:38, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Caniuse is good for seeing the current state of browser support for things: --Meyla (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
For what i can gather mp3 is still out as a file format sadlly, but i need to doublecheck the server libraries as i think there is a missing dependency as webm should be enabled and should work everywhere but iOS. If I can get that to work then maybe thats a good compromise. --Lotroadmin (talk) 23:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I've disabled the extensions for now, but we can revisit this after I upgrade the wiki to MW1.28 --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Bot account

After discussion on the Discord server, User:Amphoras suggested I make a bot account so that I can use the autosave feature of AWB instead of having to manually review 100+ edits. So, I've created Goblin scribe and I'm here to request it to be a bot account. Thanks. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 16:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Ive asked you to never edit a template yet you have been doing that. At this point you need to have admins tell me why i shouldnt ban you permanently. --Lotroadmin (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't know. Maybe because User:Amphoras said to edit those templates?
    User:Amphoras - Yesterday at 4:03 PM A large number of those pages link to it because they use {{worth}} or {{deed}}. Changing it on them should take care of virtually all of them Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 04:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I didn't really tell you to update them, you were already going to do that. I didn't know you were banned from editting templates, you should have got someone else to change those pages and done the rest yourself. Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 12:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
In this case, I will disable the account --Lotroadmin (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Updating disclaimers

Someone should probably update disclaimer with the appropriate copyright disclaimers for Standing Stone Games. I would attempt to do it, but I'm not currently in a position to (I'm on my phon e.), and I have no idea if there's some sort of process involved or not. Gestrid (talk) 18:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Aha. Didn't think of them. I've updated much of the Legal boilerplate in the Game terms: Game_Terms#Legal. But have been waiting for SSG to "catch-up" with the rest.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Database Error

* Did notice this a while back and was only able to find your account with the issue, do we have other examples? I will look more into this on a copy of the wiki --Lotroadmin (talk) 07:10, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  • It's that specific edit that's got the issue. You'd have to look in the DB itself to see what the edit is and why it would be causing an issue. Anyone else who made a similar edit or had a similar action taken on an edit like that one would have the same issue. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | [ h] ) 14:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

MediaWiki upgrade

With some luck we will be current with the MW releases again real soon, but first, I want to do some housecleaning on the extensions:

  • With the new upgrade the following extensions will be removed:
mostly is integrated with MediaWiki now and since it's unused, we probably don't need the additional hooks.
unused, but i think the map tooltip covers this better anyways.
  • Extensions that I am considering for removal - so editors, please speak up
value seems low (again), also screws up charset. (in other words, gadgets need to be disabled for every user by default for this to stick around)
only used once, but seems to have some value..
doesn't appear to be used, but seems to have some value...
high value... We will need to find a replacement as the stability of the extension has been downgraded a few times, but I don't plan on removing it just yet since it's helpful on creating new pages.

For those in the know, I've removed traces of the old phpbb and the test wiki, and there will be no hope in reviving those features.

I will probably set up a set server this round, so if you want to help debug, let me know here and I will provide details on how to access the server. --Lotroadmin (talk) 07:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't know too much about those extensions, other than that I don't use any gadgets (although I can guess what CreateArticle does). I would love to help you debug, of course! Gestrid (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

More spam

I think we had a influx of spam today so i've changed up the captcha settings and add a keyword to the harsh spam filter. I don't expect anyone to actually type their email address on any page here, so g mail has been added to the filter. --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:41, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Changes to sidebar

Did you intentionally change the contents of the sidebar?
I losst contact with the server briefly somewhere before 8pm EDT, and a bit later, when I went to create a new Item, I realized that the tools in the sidebar had chaged.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
It looks like a default sidebar -- "Help" goes to media-wiki.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
I purged the sidebar and it looks okay now. Sometimes the cache gets confused just needs to be cleared. --Lotroadmin (talk) 01:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

too many expensive parser function calls

Did we ever arrive at a solution to this problem? I.e. has anybody figured out a way to break these tables up but still have some kind of consolidated look at them?

Herb-master (Host of the West) Barter List is the latest to run afowl of the 500 item limit.

I suspect that as I get around to doing more of the barter lists from U20, that I will trigger others.

Similarly, I assume that Category: Pages where template include size is exceeded is a direct result of the previous
Category: Pages with too many expensive parser function calls
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
The only option I've found is related to the expensive parser functions like #ifexist but i'm not seeing that used in the templates. Maybe this list can be minimized by listing just the sets vs each item? Can you send me an image of the error message so i can be certain of the failure. --Lotroadmin (talk) 03:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
I modified the particular table (Herb-master (Host of the West) Barter List) which previously used multiple calls to the Reward template, to simply display the name of the item, instead of the pretty picture and super imposed count. If you look at the first table and compare it to the second, you will see what I changed to force the count down.
The particularly annoying part of the error, is that once the max count is hit, it stops expanding the remainder of whatever else is on that page - not just the following tables.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 01:27, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
There is an #ifexist used in {{Icon}}, so any template that displays the item icon will could towards the limit. It could be avoided by directly linking to the icon image, but then any changes would have to be done manually everywhere. Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 17:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

User promoted to admin

Hey, Lotroadmin. Just letting you know that I've promoted User:Steppenwolf to administrator. They seem to have the wiki's best interests at heart, and, since one of their main interests seems to be updating item pictures (as well as item pages), this will allow them to go ahead and delete the outdated pictures, as they have requested several times beforehand using the Delete Page template. They've already made use of the delete button a few times. While I haven't been very active in LOTRO or on the wiki in recent months (Life is busy.), I have checked mostly kept up with my watchlist notification emails and have noticed them several times through that. Gestrid (talk) 01:49, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Grats Steppenwolf! --Lotroadmin (talk) 21:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Bad ads

Please check out: Talk:Lotro-Wiki_Contributors'_Corner#Script_reloading
There are again one or more ads which are causing problems.
I'm not getting the frezze issue with Safari, but at least the Arby ad does cause the page to reload.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:24, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
These ads are becoming more and more annoying. They severely impact the ability to edit pages as they keep changing page focus to display the ad.
I.e. scrolling the page up or down from where you are working -- which normally does NOT incldue the ad.
You cannot stop them despite the fact that they display "||" and X-off boxes.
They also prevent my iMac from Sleeping! My iMac SHOULD go into sleep mode if 15 minutes of inactivity -- but because of these scripted adds, which never shut down, the "auto-sleep" function never activates, and I am forced to manually sleep the machine.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


Some puppet spy agency is at it again, sorry for the rash of spam. I've tweaked the question again to help with botting and also bumped a few admins so they can suppress or if possible just delete the spam edits. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:38, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

This person is clearly having fun.. lol.. hopefully soon they will be bored. Sorry for the spam today. --Lotroadmin (talk) 19:05, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Maybe you should hide the diffs themselves, too, just to take away the pleasure of even having the diffs visible. (Of course, I may just be able to see them because I'm a Bureaucrat.) Gestrid (talk) 19:20, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Can confirm that logged-out users can still view the diffs. Isn't there a way to hide them from the general public? I know Wikipedia admins can. Gestrid (talk) 19:46, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
There's was just one more step i needed to do to hide the edits, but it's still possible for admins to visible .. --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:14, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

May I become an admin?

Please, I always loved to be an admin and bureaucrat...

May I become admin and bureaucrat? I will contribute a lot, and I will fight for justice, against vandals and spammers.

I also saw that you and other admins had issues with recent vandalbots that blanked some pages, so I want to join your team to prevent the coming of new spambots and vandalbots.

I also know how to block the vandals, change the visibility of revisions, blocks, logs, etc. I will ensure I will be very active to prevent the return of spambots or something of that, and I will protect the page which needs protection for excessive vandalism or edit warring. I will do my work with responsibility, and I won't fail to you.

So, please, make me admin and bureaucrat, and this will be a very active wiki with very big popularity!

AndreyBLG (talk) 14:32, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

New Table Class

I'd like to add a new class for tables that's based on altRowsMed, but adds style="padding-right:20px;". This would be useful for tables of items where the table width should be dynamic (to best accommodate different monitor resolutions/aspect ratios), but we want to keep good readability by adding padding to the right of each cell. How can we do this? --Gaerlin (talk) 04:08, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

OK I figured out how to add the class (edited Common.css). However, it doesn't seem to be working right. I created a new class called "altRowsPad" and copied the styles from altRowsMed to it, then added td { padding-right: 20px; }. The padding is working correctly, but the alternating background colors on rows are not (see User:Gaerlin/Sandbox/NewVerified for an example). I tried both "tr.odd" and "tr.nth-of-type(odd)" syntax but neither worked. Any ideas? --Gaerlin (talk) 13:34, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Virtues U21

I have updated Virtue stats with all new data. Only {{Virtue Cap}} needs to be increased from 19 to 20. --Gisel Avaleazar (talk) 10:06, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Item Tooltip

Someone should change maxlevel line in the item tooltip, to output Maximum Level, not Maximum Target Level and also to place it above Minimum Level, the way it is in the game...
Steppenwolf (talk) 00:17, 22 August 2017 (UTC)Steppenwolf
I have made these changes. Take a look at Item:Boots of the Hytbold Watcher for a sample. --Gaerlin (talk) 12:57, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Well done! - Steppenwolf (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2017 (UTC)Steppenwolf

Not to sure what it is about the new top/bottom ads today on the wiki but they are wrecking havoc with the memory leak in Microsoft Edge Content Process. This process holds all recent content and since each advertisement is upwards of 50mb, each page refresh drives up the total memory stored in the process. After 5 minutes of surfing the wiki, my process is upto 1.2GB stored, 6 minutes 1,. Can you switch the ads being used on the wiki? Matthew.zellmer (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I am experiencing something similar on Google Chrome. While browsing lotro-wiki in Chrome, periodically my entire machine will just freeze up for 5-10 seconds about once every few minutes. I notice when this occurs that the refresh icon is spinning on my browser windows that have lotro-wiki open. I think most likely it is refreshing the ads on the pages, but this wreaks havoc with my browser and indeed my whole machine. This problem started a couple of weeks ago. Did anything change in the ads around that time? It's making editing a real challenge. --Gaerlin (talk) 15:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Also confirmed this issue in Crome and in Firefox as well. Firefox I do see the icons spinning in all open brower tabs. And each process keeps getting bigger I have 5 tabs, the oldest tab has over 530mb and growing, (5 min old), next tab 405mb (3 mins old). So its the number of ads and their refreshs that are not being dumpped from any browers memory. Matthew.zellmer (talk) 15:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Looks like the advertisements today are no longer memory leaking. Thanks! Matthew.zellmer (talk) 13:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I blocked that ad, it seemed to be malware or a hack that impacted all browsers. Sadly there's no way to report it, but all i can do is block it. --Lotroadmin (talk) 02:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks a ton for cleaning it up. Matthew.zellmer (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Other languages on LOTRO-wiki

I was wondering what your vision on other languages on the wiki is, and whether this is something that has been discussed in the past. Discussion is (hopefully) being held here: Talk:Lotro-Wiki_Contributors'_Corner#French_and_German_pages. --Ravanel (talk) 21:53, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Spam filter shenanigans

Hiya. Has there been an update to the spam filter? It seems unusually aggressive, preventing me from posting on User talk:Tharondir because of the occurrence of certain words (that I can't type here because then I can't submit) earlier on his talk page. It doesn't show up when previewing, only when you're actually trying to submit the text. --Ravanel (talk) 11:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I just did a test post and i assume you deleted the filtered word? If not can you post here it in a clever (cle___ver) way or even pig latin might work.
I did review the list and most seemed unique filters vs common words. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
I didn't want to remove random words from other people's messages on someone else's talk page, so they're still there. I'm also not sure if it would be optimal to do so, since they're common words and it feels kinda weird to censor your language in that way? If you try to post something on Tharondir's talk page, you'll see what I mean. Anyway, the very bad words are p__hone and g__m_ail (gasp). Those are the ones I bumped into on his talk page when trying to post, but there might be more. --Ravanel (talk) 10:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
I know it sucks, but both of those words were used in the last huge spam attack where they added hundreds of pages in a matter of a few minutes across multiple IP address and accounts. I replaced the word with something a little more creative but still relays the message... --Lotroadmin (talk) 01:21, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
That's good to know. Thanks for helping out! --Ravanel (talk) 23:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Tooltip on an external website


I’ve been trying to display LotRO-wiki Tooltips on my kinship website. As I was told in the Toltip script discussion, the feature was disabled some years ago. Is that true? Maybe something can be done? --ENDrain (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't believe i have any blocks to prevent the tooltips from the server side. It's possible that someone hardcoded a URL in the user javascript space so the might need to be reviewed. I have blocked sights for lifting images when i deem it excessive, but a kinship website wouldn't be on that list even if it was excessive. --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:56, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Is There Anybody There?

I'm trying to get lotro-wiki based tooltips working on my guild's forum. As I learned, external tooltip feature is currently disabled at line 191 (commenting it makes tooltip loading proceed, even caching seems to work). Although, the tooltips themselves won't load due to Access-Control-Allow-Origin header not set. Can anyone from lotro-wiki team help me with bringing external tooltips live?
ENDrain (talk) 06:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
What are you trying to do?
1- Display a tooltip on LOTRO-wiki based on information from an external website?
2- Display a LOTRO-Wiki tooltip on some external web site?
As I recall, this ability was specifically disabled many years ago for a variety of reasons.
Post your question over on User talk:Lotroadmin.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 01:10, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Sadly, there does not appear to be anyone around who has worked with the original Java code. (and I'm a retired COBOL programmer) :(
First off -- what is the content of line 191 you refer to? What editor are you using to give you that line number?
However, my initial question still holds -- which are you trying to do #1 or #2?
The ability described in #1 is what I was referring to as being not allowed, in my poorly worded answer. . . "not allowed" does not mean prohibited -- but rather - no code supports that function.
With my limited knowledge of JavaScript, I don't see any obvious block.
#2 works fine as far as I know. (I can't test it currently since I don't have a working web server.)
If it doesn't work, it is more likely a problem with the external website allowing such references - especially if you are using some hosting site.

How are you attempting to reference the tooltip? {{:Item: Universal Solvent|mode=imlink_plain}} obviously, will only work locally on
Are you getting the ereror messag defined as "EXTERNAL_LOADING" or is it simply not working?
BTW: The original JavaScript is from:
Can you use a ToolTip from that server on your guild's forum?
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 08:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, where to start...
What I'm trying is #2, to display a LOTRO-Wiki tooltip on an external website. To do that, I hook Lord_of_the_tooltips.js to my site and wrap an item name in <a href=> which links to the item's page on this Wiki. It does the job, the script runs and attempts to load a tooltip - it goes as far as showing a pop-up with upper-left corner of this Wiki visible in it. The last message I'm getting in browser console is this:
Lord of the tooltips.js: Requesting "" to loose weight
Which corresponds with line 185, function itfb_request(). (I'm using Google Chrome Developer Tools and Notepad++ for editors, they show identical line numeration.) It appears that this is where the code finishes it's execution in the case of a tooltip request from external (as opposed to internal - from this Wiki) source. I'm not a JavaScript or even HTML developer either, so from that point I did a lot of wild-guessing, blind-coding and googling and here is what I learned.
This code was never supposed to work. The basic idea is that this script attempts to load a piece of one page into another, but it's not that simple when the pages are located on different domains - belong to different Origins. In our case, is one origin, and is another. I can load a page of your wiki in an <&iframe> on my site - which the script successfully does, but I cannot load a specific <&div> from that page which contains the tooltip itself in an <&iframe>.
One solution is to simply set the aforementioned header, but from what I read it's a bad solution securitywise. I'm not sure why, nor do I know how to do it anyway. I'm not even sure what an HTTP Header is.
Another solution would be to create a client-server interface between LOTRO-Wiki as the Tooltip server and possible Tooltip clients. You see, I can't just load a specific part of a webpage from a different origin, but I can recieve it as a JavaScript "message". In short, in addition to this client-side script we will need another, server-side script hosted esclusively on this site. I think I have a rough idea of how this should look, although I never had to write client-server interfaces before.
There're other possibilities, like loading a whole page in a <&div> and then parsing it down to the tooltip part (<&iframe> is a window-in-window, and <&div> is just an object, so I can do such things to it); or like calculating the offset of the tooltp in a page and scrolling an <&iframe> so that only the tooltip is visible... But I believe that these, and even client-server solutions, are shit-code.
I don't believe that this is how tooltips work on WoW sites. (BTW, there's no JavaScript code at the links you've posted, only instructions on formatting within that Wiki.) The thing is, Blizzard supports an open database of everything in their game, like Turbine used to do. I believe, from some WoW-tootip code I've seen and general programming experience, that this is how WoW tooltips are handled. The JS scripts on these sites are just extracting data from Blizzard DB and forwarding it to the front-end.

All that if I'm understanding technology behind it all correct, that is. I'm no professional. The bottom line is, in case I'm right, it's down either to me to write some shit-code to load ready tooltips from your pages to external ones, or for us all together to migrate to an actual database (which is a very cool and perspective solution).
By "migrating to a database" I understand writing software that would parse Item, NPC, Map and so forth pages of this wiki, extract relevant information from them and arrange it in an SQL query to be inserted into the database; and then writing JavaScript that would query the DB for a specific entry, recieve the data and arrange it in a template as we know them today, in order to show this template as a static tooltip on an item page or as a pop-up.
ENDrain (talk) 17:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
It's been a busy few weeks for me so sorry haven't responded. I will try and see if i can get tooltips to work on a different domain since i can monitor the logs for errors and I will report back if it's still possible. Keep in mind that cross-site scripts are generally fraud upon these days and with the SSL trend, it might not correctly work. BTW, you might find tips from wowpedia author on tooltips, if i can't figure it out.. --Lotroadmin (talk) 03:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


Per the discussion on Discord, could you please add MW:Extension:UserMerge and merge Agarnir (Contribs • User Talk) into IKnights (Contribs • User Talk)? Thanks! Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 15:21, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I would really like Agarnir (Contribs • User Talk) merged into IKnights (Contribs • User Talk).
Thanks :D IKnights 9:47, 29 November 2017 (CST)

The extension requires a newer version of the mediawiki software, so someday when i upgrade the MW version, i will look into upgrading your account. You would need to log into both accounts and send an email before i would merge them, but i don't know when i will be able to upgrade the MW, so there's no rush. Since you only have one edit on the other account, you can probably get away with just a redirect from the user and the talk pages. --Lotroadmin (talk) 07:02, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
  • It actually doesn't require a newer version of the mediawiki software. There are Installation instructions for "To users running MediaWiki 1.25 or earlier". Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 23:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
If someone wants to merge user accounts, they need to log into both accounts and send a private messages via email this user on my talk page. If they created an account because they forgot the password, it's extremely unlikely we can merge those accounts --Lotroadmin (talk) 03:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


I've decided to lock down Gadgets for users with Admin rights, we can discuss opening this up to editors. T13, I've also removed one that caused the special pages to hang, if you can provide an example on another wiki where it's working we can bring it back. --Lotroadmin (talk) 01:39, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Extensions - Purge replaced, Loops about to be removed

The purge and loops extensions haven't been actively maintained and won't be around after the next MW upgrade (soon i promise). Purge has been replaced with a gadget, there's only one page that seems to use the loops extension and we can revert that edit or create a template to build a deep case statement for finite sized loop. CreateArticle has actually been archived, but it still seems to work and I believe we are still happy with it. --Lotroadmin (talk) 01:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Updated to MW 1.30

Please let me know if you are experiencing any issues since the upgrade. As noted earlier, we did lose the loops extension as it hasn't been maintained for some time. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:09, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Sphinx search is off-line atm, but simple built in search is available --Lotroadmin (talk) 08:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)


email notifications are now an opt-in

I changed the default settings for the email notifications under special:preferences, please opt-in if you want to continue to receive email for talk-page edits or watch notifications. --Lotroadmin (talk) 01:17, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Legendary Content

I'm back! Anyway, I've been able to confirm with my own two eyes that some of the quests (at least some in the Dwarf intro) that have been removed from the Live servers are now available on the Legendary Servers. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we actually have any of those quests listed on the site (ex. Quest:Goblin Prowlers). Also, I was thinking we could update {{Obsolete}} to be able to notify users that the quest is only available on the Legendary Servers, but I'm not proficient enough in wiki template coding to add a parameter to it (ex. |legendary= so it will display something like "However, this [page type] is available on the Legendary Servers" below the "Due to ongoing changes..." bit. Gestrid (talk) 00:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

I'd searched the wrong quest name. It's Quest:Intro: Goblin Prowlers. For some reason, I can see that the page was deleted and I see a link to view/ restore the page via Special:Undelete. But, when I click on the link, it states that "There is no edit history for this page," so I can't restore the page. Could the edit history have somehow been lost in the database after being deleted four years ago? This seems to be the same for Quest:Cave-dwelling Menace, Quest:Hill-dwelling Menace, and Quest:Frostmantle. I'll notify User:Sethladan and User:Balorgor of this post on their talk page since they're the one that deleted the pages. Gestrid (talk) 21:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Was able to figure out what happened to the deleted pages thanks to Rogue4ever on the Discord server. I didn't know there was a time limit to how long deleted content is kept. Anyway, I'm going to try restoring the pages from an copies of them. The original issue of how to mark Legendary Server content remains, though. Gestrid (talk) 23:16, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok. I've created a Legendary Server tag.
This is a quick and easy fix, and avoids needing to go through and re-work every template to include a new parameter.
See: Legendary Server for the tag. {{Legendary}} This will allow the items related to the legendary servers to be identified and collected together. It will place an entry in Category: Legendary Content.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 14:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Old virtue pages Web-archived in prep for Virtues update

Hi, I used "wayback machine" to save the virtue pages as they are today. They may not be perfect, but they won't be lost. You should be able to click through to any virtue and get a current as of today page from here: The Virtues update is tomorrow afaik. Acatlover2 (talk) 00:09, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


Moderators, if you see unique words in any spam, please add here using the format defined in that page MediaWiki:Spam blacklist‎. Thanks --Lotroadmin (talk) 22:58, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

In answer to your question on my welcome page

Since your question was in the summary, I wasn't sure if you'd get a notification if I replied on my talk page, but if that's where this should go, please feel free to move it! Short answer: yes. Long answer: I didn't want to break anything by having too many permissions when I don't remember nearly as much as I should about editing, plus I was intending at the beginning to only fix my older pictures with floaty names (but obviously I got somewhat side-tracked . . . ). Rubythezombie (talk) 21:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)