Talk:LOTRO Store
Still North America Only?
Can any of our EU players confirm that the LOTRO store is up over there, too? Codemaster's page seems to indicate yes - http://community.lotro-europe.com/store-promotion.php. This page and Main Page need updating if so. Sethladan 01:17, 7 March 2011 (EST)
- Yes, the LOTRO store is up in the EU now (I live in the Netherlands). Would be great if you could update this. --Ravanel 11:47, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
Mention of availability
I'm just wondering what would be the best way to mention if an item is available at the store...
As seen in some pages:
== Description == This item can be bought at the LOTRO Store for x LOTRO Points.
AND/OR mentioned in tooltip with parameter
| lotrostore = {{worth|tp=x}}
--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Goingbald (Contribs • User Talk).
- Any examples of items with the latter? --Ravanel 09:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
- Item:Campaign_Backpack for example has both. I think I like it being included in the tooltip, to let you know with a single glance that it's available either in the store or in-game. Elinnea 15:08, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
- I've used the latter in some cosmetic items, let's see if I can remember off the top of my head . . . Campaign Backpack, as Elinnea said, and Ceremonial Ajokoira Armour, Hauberk of Glory - and these have just the former:Caras Galadhon Tapestry, Summerfest Bed.--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rubyctook (Contribs • User Talk).
- I don't have a strong opinion about this. I do like the Description thing in all cases, think we should keep that. The Store icon in the tooltip looks neat, but I'm not overly excited. It sort of pops out of the page and catches your eye, just like the Store does in-game. Perhaps I get a bit tired from that. Also, it doesn't show up in the tooltip in game. But as I said, I don't actively work on items and don't have a strong opinion on this. I'd be interested in what our "item nerds" think on this matter. I agree it is good to use one way and keep it consistent, though. --Ravanel 08:49, 13 May 2011 (EDT)
- I'm a bit torn on the issue. I do agree that I like it on the page description in all cases as well. On one hand, it's useful and quick to have it on the tooltip, on the other hand, it's not on the in-game tooltip, as Ravanel said. I guess we need to wait for some others to weigh in on the issue . . . I do lean towards leaving it off the tooltips, though. If we go that way, we might want to take that parameter out of the item boilerplate and template. Rubyctook 11:01, 13 May 2011 (EDT)
- I don't have a strong opinion about this. I do like the Description thing in all cases, think we should keep that. The Store icon in the tooltip looks neat, but I'm not overly excited. It sort of pops out of the page and catches your eye, just like the Store does in-game. Perhaps I get a bit tired from that. Also, it doesn't show up in the tooltip in game. But as I said, I don't actively work on items and don't have a strong opinion on this. I'd be interested in what our "item nerds" think on this matter. I agree it is good to use one way and keep it consistent, though. --Ravanel 08:49, 13 May 2011 (EDT)
- I've used the latter in some cosmetic items, let's see if I can remember off the top of my head . . . Campaign Backpack, as Elinnea said, and Ceremonial Ajokoira Armour, Hauberk of Glory - and these have just the former:Caras Galadhon Tapestry, Summerfest Bed.--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rubyctook (Contribs • User Talk).
- Item:Campaign_Backpack for example has both. I think I like it being included in the tooltip, to let you know with a single glance that it's available either in the store or in-game. Elinnea 15:08, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
Project Page
For reference, the project page for this article is at Lotro-Wiki.com:LOTRO_Store. It has guidelines for adding information, as well as lists of what is complete and what still needs to be done. --Elinnea 19:02, 9 May 2011 (EDT)
Auction House
Auction house slots, somewhat like vault pace, has an increasing cost. It's 95 for the first two, 195 for the second two, and 295 for the last two. That's 0-10, 11-20, 21-30... for free players. Premiums get +5 slots that are added to the previous. I have no idea of how this should be listed on the chart :) --Cyanpill 15:22, 10 May 2011 (EDT)
- I gave the different tiers numbers, similar to the vault storage, and included a note about premium and vip accounts. There may be a clearer way to present the information. Does it keep increasing after that, or is there an upper limit on AH slots? - Elinnea 11:06, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
Loremaster Skills
Unfortunately, the store does indeed consistently refer the Sabertooth Cat talismans as "Sabertooth Cat" rather than "Sabercat". I'm unsure as to whether this inconsistency will remain on the purchased talisman or not . . . or whether you are simply granted the skill upon purchase, for that matter. I guess it really depends on what the useable skill in-game is titled - if it's Sabercat, the way it is now is perfect, if not, then we have to decide whether we follow their inconsistency or not. Rubyctook 11:18, 13 May 2011 (EDT)
Who's on First?
I was beginning to update the Lotro store page with the new ROI travel stuff as I had made a list during the beta of the "just announced (23 Sept)" "teleports to 11 new areas."
... after I had spent over an hour updating a dead page (which I thought was going to be transcluded) ... I knew the store page existed, but it took me forever to find it. Yeah, it's on the home page, but nobody ever looks at that -- (RTFM Syndrom) ... and sort only gives the "sub pages" as hints if you type in "lotro store;" and then the WIKI claims that no such page exists on the WIKI on the results page ... which is correct because it can't find "LOTRO Store" when you type in "lotro store" so the WIKI then asks if you want to create that page (after up-casing only the "L" - which is not what you typed in either). [And note: the Sort "hints" Up-case "lotro" into "LOTRO" then sort results found lots of "LOTRO Store <something>" But the search routine does NOT find "LOTRO Store" -- at least not in the first 80 out of some 400 results. Why can the search find something that you did not ask for while claiming that it can't find it?? I hate that - "I know what you really want" - attitude of contemporary search engines.]
Apologies for the rant, but I helped "refine" one of the original web search engine developed by DEC -- AltaVista -- and to see the way in which Google has corrupted searching distresses me.
I kept winding up on pages like: LOTRO Store Maps & Skills -- which. it turns out, hadn't been updated since 2010, and was missing stuff and had an assortment of errors on it. But when I tried to trace back from that page to the main Store page....
- That page linked to page Category:LOTRO_Store_Travel but dead-ended there.
So, it looks like that while THIS page (LOTRO Store) is the currently maintained page, there are ENTIRE SERIES of other pages, in Category:LOTRO_Store, such as in: Category:LOTRO_Store_Travel which are dead-end and unmaintained pages. (The Maps & Skills page I was updating CLEARLY was not related to the contents of the "real" Store page.)
Which is to say, "what links here" shows only the Category page as linking to the subpage (er, as Wonka would say .. reverse that), i.e. not transcluded or referenced anywhere.
There are two problems this brings out ... 1- it is hard to find "the correct" pages to update when there are substantial in-game changes 2- It makes it virtually impossible to use the "on-page" links to return to your previous page. It is considered "bad web design" to rely on the user's "back arrow" to perform that function.
In the end... either all of those pages and categories that are truly dead end, and not transcludes should be deleted...
I've tagged a couple of them with {{Stubs/Other}} and {{Stubs/Category}} Category:Stubs/Other Category:Stubs/Category
OR
What is on this page should be shoved out to them and transcluded...
And one last observation -- the LOTRO Store page makes the Quest Dialog "length" discussion seem like a tempest in a teapot. :) I would opt to "hide" everything, maybe using the framework I just implemented on the very last entry -- LOTRO_Store#Skirmish_Bundles (collapsed and sortable). Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 14:31, 24 September 2011 (EDT)--
- Project:LOTRO Store - some discussion about the length of the page on the talk there. That search thing sounds frustrating, though; I know Lotroadmin was tinkering with it, so maybe bring it to his attention and see if there's anything he can do to make it easier to find this page through search. Otherwise, this is unfortunately a very "understaffed" project, with only Elimnea and Rubyctook really putting effort into this section (and all those multitudes of related pages that you mentioned) after Deadmanet got things rolling as a project. Not much else I can say to help relieve your frustration, heh. Sethladan 18:34, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
- I agree with the frustration of finding the page through search. I always get to it through my browsing history or my wiki watchlist. I'm not sure how other people would find it, unless through a direct link. It would be nice if the search were not so captalization-specific.
- I was trying out the collapsing tables on some of the subpages, for example LOTRO Store Character and LOTRO Store Cosmetics, although those are uncollapsed by default at the moment. I broke out those two sections into separate pages because the main page was getting very large and difficult to load, but in general I was trying to move away from having sub-pages of sub-pages, to minimize the number of clicks required to get to the information you're looking for. Having to click through lots of categories and pages is one thing that annoys me about using the store itself in the game. That's why I haven't been using the categories or tags that someone (Deadmanet I'd guess) had set up. I'd be in favor of deleting a lot of those stubs or categories - surely they can be recreated again in the future if someone sees a need for them. Elinnea (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
Glad to see that I wasn't seeing things... Quite literally yesterday, I clicked on "upgrade storage" because I had filled up and wasn't really thinking -- and lo and behold, I upgraded my shared storage to 110 slots!
- Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 23:22, 16 February 2012 (EST)
Turbine points cost
TP are cheaper than you think, No wonder the Store prints money for Turbine/WB!
Don't know if you want to include this information on the page or not. These prices have been constant now for about 2 years. Various promotions modify the number of "Bonus points," but the costs have remained constant. And also for DDO, which is having the first ever TRIPPLE bonus point sale this weekend!
These prices are valid only from the in-game LOTRO-Store.
Standard prices for In-store point purchases
| Standard store Price | Double Bonus Points | Tripple Bonus Points | ||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Base points | Bonus Points | Total Points | Price | cost per point | Double bonus points | Total Points | cost per point | Tripple bonus points | Total Points | cost per point | ||||
| 500 | +100 | 600 | $7.99 | .0133 | +200 | 700 | .0114 | +300 | 800 | .00998 | ||||
| 1,200 | + 350 | 1,600 | $19.99 | .0124 | +700 | 1,900 | .0105 | +1,050 | 2,300 | .00869 | ||||
| 2,200 | + 950 | 3,150 | $34.99 | .0111 | +1,900 | 4,100 | .0085 | +2,850 | 5,050 | .00692 | ||||
| 3,750 | +2,550 | 6,300 | $59.99 | .0095 | +5,100 | 8,850 | .0067 | +7,650 | 11,400 | .00526 | ||||
Yes, it is true, if you buy Turbine Points in the Store, at $60, they cost less than one cent each!
Note: these prices are for the in-game store only, which means they MUST be charged to a credit card associated with your account.
Standard prices for In-store point purchases August 2013
Price increases and double bonus listings as of 5 August 2013
- Sale prices in effect 2 August to 13 August.
| Standard store Price | Double Bonus Points | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Base points | Bonus Points | Total Points | Price | cost per point | Double bonus points | Total Points | cost per point | ||
| 500 | + 100 | 600 | $7.99 | .0133 | + 200 | 700 | .0114 | ||
| 1,250 | + 350 | 1,600 | $19.99 | .0124 | + 700 | 1,950 | .0105 | ||
| 2,200 | + 950 | 3,150 | $34.99 | .0111 | + 1,900 | 4,100 | .0085 | ||
| 3,750 | + 2,550 | 6,300 | $59.99 | .0095 | + 5,100 | 8,850 | .0067 | ||
| 6,250 | + 4,750 | 11,000 | $99.99 | .0090 | + 9,500 | 15,750 | .0063 | ||
| 12,500 | + 10,500 | 23,000 | $199.99 | .0087 | + 21,000 | 33,500 | .0059 | ||
Yes, it is true, if you buy Turbine Points in the Store, at $60, they cost less than one cent each!
Note: these prices are for the in-game store only, which means they MUST be charged to a credit card associated with your account.
Capitalization Question
First off, I know that Turbine prefer full capitalization of LOTRO, rather than Lotro. That is a marketing thing, some companies wants to make their names stand out from body text, etc. However, we are an independent group of fans and we are not ruled marketing guys.
One of the first things we learn in school when it comes to names and abbreviations (at least from my experience, which is not global) is that an abbreviation that can be spoken as a word should be capitalized as a name when in body text and not in marketing papers. Lotro is a spoken word and a name. IBM is not. Oracle is. BMW is not. Saab is. Etc. Usually 3-letter abbreviations are capitalized whatsoever, but not when ≥4.
I am baffled that we use the capitalized version in body text of our pages, like Turbine puppets :P I think it is OK in some headers, such as this page. My suggestion is that we in body text write "Lotro" and "Lotro Store" but in headers and rare cases use the capitalized version. Any thoughts? --- (I am not going to ask anybody, neither do it myself, to edit all occasions we find, only during other, normal edits.)
-- Zimoon (talk) 07:38, 6 June 2012 (EDT)
- I ask myself this question every time I write the word. Is it LOTRO? Lotro? LotRO? The last is just ugly. I've been using the all-caps form wherever I want it to look official. The word-like form Lotro I use in all normal, typed conversation because it's easier than holding down the shift key. Now I don't know any more and I have no strong opinions on the matter. Not helpful, I know. It would be nice to make a decision about it so I can stop wondering.
- It makes some sense to use Lotro when it's in a paragraph for most cases. In the phrase "Lotro Store" it doesn't work so well though, because I usually want to link it to this page and that requires LOTRO Store, not Lotro Store. Adding in a pipe link Lotro Store seems like a lot of extra typing for dubious reward. Or maybe I'm just lazy. -- Elinnea (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- Or we create a redirect ;)
- Most times I become baffled is just that LOTRO Store, is if we are pushing the marketing for Turbine. It is screaming out of the text, as using capitals in in-game chat ;)
- I'd vote for Lotro Store and a redirect, using capitals only when really asked for. -- Zimoon (talk) 01:28, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- Personally, I think that LOTRO looks better than Lotro. Lotro blends in too much for me, and makes it harder for me to see. -- Candlelight (talk•contribs) 04:13, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- Hah, the elegant solution wins again. I always forget about redirects.
- I don't really think LOTRO Store is screaming marketing though. It's more... that's what it's called. Everywhere it's referred to, in the game and out, it is written the same way, so I follow. Maybe I'm just used to seeing it that way in the game, but it doesn't bother me. -- Elinnea (talk) 11:06, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- @Candlelight: It is just that, why wanting anything to stand out in a text? If it should stand out for a reason, then it is OK to use either the capitalized version or, which should be used in body text, use italics to emphasize. But in plain body text it is seldom necessary to have certain things stand out, other than if that section is about a new or certain subject, and then bold text is common practice. Or maybe I am just to used to writing technical documents, academical reports, and user guides; plus being indoctrinated by all research about these topics ;)
- -- Zimoon (talk) 15:54, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- Let's see what the game uses. Logon. Hover over the "Buy Points & Account Upgrades" button. The tool tip is "Visit the LOTRO Store". Now log on a character. The right most button on the button bar is "LOTRO Store". Click it. The web page title is "LOTRO Store". We see "Welcome to the LOTRO Store!" Let use /bug to make a bug report. It says "LOTRO Store". It sure looks like they identify themselves as the "LOTRO Store". Let's just call them what they want to be called.
- 'Nuff said. Next topic please…. RingTailCat (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- Is not "LOTRO Store" a name? Just like our names: "RingTailCat" and "Zimoon". We self-identify. They self-identify. It seems polite to use the name by which someone self-identifies. I would consider it wrong for someone to change the capitalization of my name because they did not like camel-case names in plain text. RingTailCat (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
- Most countries, or rather, languages have some kind of advices (or even rules) on how to capitalize, and then a certain section about names. They usually suggest names to be spelled such as Ringtailcat or RTC, though I guess none of those advices deals with player avatars ;)
- When it comes to company names (or brands) they often (but this differs) suggest overruling the company policy no matter what, if the name is a pronounceable word. Lotro is pronounceable as a word and cannot be mistaken for something else. The reason for such rules are to make body text easier to read. Readability has a strong importance; another example is that numbers should be spelled such as ten rather than 10 as long as it is reasonably short. A secondary reason is to negate companies wish to emphasize (market) themselves by standing out from the text, if they could they would surely wish for bold as well ;)
- Generally speaking, saying that somebody else does this and something else does that is to cheat oneself out of the thinking process and becoming somebody else's puppet. Our wiki is 100 % independent, thinking for ourselves. It was from the independent and readability aspects I asked the original question. About Lotro in body text, not everywhere. -- Zimoon (talk) 02:43, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
- I just noticed this thread and wanted to point out several things. First, LOTRO is an ACRONYM - Hence it is correct to capitalize it, and incorrect to only capitalize the first letter - in all written situations. Technically, it is also a Trademarked Brand name, i.e. a proper noun; not just a "marketing thing." It IS an official name of the game. It is completely incorrect when refering to the game in a sentence to do so without capitalization or by only capitalizing the first letter. No one knows what you are referring to. That kind of usage is typical of Oral languages, not written ones. Second, the "rule" Z mentions depends entirely upon whose "Book of Style" one uses. And the idea of what is pronounceable and what is not is a real joke. Just consider the "revision" from Peking to Beijing, or the difference between in prouncation of 0 -- Zero and Zed. :) Finally, Sapience was asked about this very topic not long ago .... and his response was -- "If you're interested in the "official" answer, we always use the all caps version. Always LOTRO. And officially we've pronounced it LOW-TRO from day one." forum thread
- And for the record, IBM and BMW are also Proper Names. At one time they were, like RCA and UNIVAC, acronyms. However, all four are today Proper Names. In the case of IBM, I am quite aware that in fact they changed their corporate name from International Business Machines to IBM. In the case of UNIVAC, the Corporate name was always UNIVAC even though the original Computer they built was a Universal Automatic Computer. (And if you want real trivia -- 1108 the model number of the primary product line was the numeric street address of the company, in Octal. Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2012 (EDT)
- While I do not disagree with some of your arguments, Magill, you seem to have either missed the whole point, or you wrote in reflex defence mode ;)
- The whole point is NOT what Turbine or anybody else is using or not, but what we consider flowing nice in our text. From that perspective I iterated a few "rules" which are common practice, but as you say they differ, mainly from continent to continent but not so much from country to country. And US do not have any rules at all regarding acronyms, at least not any that have reached national consensus. Actually, we could equally well discuss which part of the world should dominate written text whatever its content or purpose. US, French, China, Russia, New Zealand, South Africa,...? And I'd bet there will be loud discussions about anything from punctuation to colour of the ink and paper.
- In chat, whether in-game, IRC, MSN or whatever, using caps is to SCREAM. So, do we want to scream in our bread text? Or do we want to convey a message? That is another way to view this topic. Personally I bounce back seeing LOTRO Store in a paragraph. The capitalization of LOTRO adds zero value to the information but disturbs the reading flow *. Information-wise Lotro Store contains exactly the same information, it cannot be confused with anything else, but it has the upside of flowing well in the text. And Lotro is definitely "pronounceable" as a word, as a noun if you wish, while IBM is not (it is pronounced as three distinct letters "I" "B" "M"), and while at it, Intel is also an acronym but is both pronounceable as a word and has only the initial letter capitalized.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism#Case contains some info which makes both you and me both wrong and right, certainly wrong stating "it is correct" as a fact. I am focusing on "Small caps are sometimes used to make the run of capital letters seem less jarring to the reader."
- * "Disturbing reading flow" - I have spent a lot of time on the "readability" research topic throughout the years, not doing the research but keeping up with the results as part of my job. It is a fact that anything that stands out from the text in an unusual way disturbs the reader. That includes unexpected capitals, short numbers written in numeric form rather than text, etc. Reading speed and intake capacity is considerably decreased and it takes several seconds to get up to speed again. (You could compare with a car driver that suddenly must avoid something unexpected, it takes a little time for him to regain comfort again.) The only big group opposing this, not the research facts in themselves but by ignoring them in practise, is the industry. Simply because they want to scream their brand wherever they can, and capitals show off.
-- Zimoon (talk) 03:18, 11 October 2012 (EDT)
- * "Disturbing reading flow" - I have spent a lot of time on the "readability" research topic throughout the years, not doing the research but keeping up with the results as part of my job. It is a fact that anything that stands out from the text in an unusual way disturbs the reader. That includes unexpected capitals, short numbers written in numeric form rather than text, etc. Reading speed and intake capacity is considerably decreased and it takes several seconds to get up to speed again. (You could compare with a car driver that suddenly must avoid something unexpected, it takes a little time for him to regain comfort again.) The only big group opposing this, not the research facts in themselves but by ignoring them in practise, is the industry. Simply because they want to scream their brand wherever they can, and capitals show off.
- LoL we can also add "generational" to the list of issues... Using all caps "today" is to SCREAM; however, to me it simply shows the ignorance of the user -- i.e. they think they are still on an IBM PC (one of those old big clunkers, that really was an IBM PC and ran DOS), that ONLY offered Upper case letters; or they have no idea what a caps-lock key is.
- (Totally a side issue, but Wikipedia calls Intel a "portmanteau word," a term I never heard of before tonight, not an acronym.)
- There is also an interesting issue in (I'm calling it) educational background. I grew up learning to Outline things and how to Flowchart in programming. Consequently I find indentation to be a very useful tool, and not jarring at all, and quite readable. (I find the extra "and" I inserted in that sentence to be much more jarring.) I find it much harder to follow text which simply "flows" continuously from one paragraph to the next. Indentation is a common construct in most programming languages, even FORTRAN and COBOL, let along Perl and XML.
- As far as the flow of LOTRO Store vs Lotro Store or lotro store is concerned -- to me I find the latter two jarring and they always cause me to stop and mentally correct the typography as I'm going along.
- This is one of those areas where until it gets cast in stone (i.e. written up in the Help:Manual of Style) folks will continue to do whatever they think of at the time.
- The topic of "Reading Flow" IS an interesting one. I happen to come at it from the "historic" newspaper point of view, where 72 point type was a "screaming headline" which took up the top third of a page, leaving no room for anything else. Consequently, I am well aware of the differences not only country wise, but publication wise. Just as a pair of silly examples -- compare the typographical styles of the New Yorker magazine with say the Economist; or Forbes with Business Week. All four are different in style, not only from each other, but from others in their field. Again, personally, I find the New Yorker's "style" to be virtually unreadable. It reminds me of some really boring speaker just droning on and on. A really dull, and for me quite difficult, read. While Business Week is simply too jarring. leaving me Forbes and the Economist. Similarly, the idea of "reading speed" is an interesting one to throw in to the conversation. One wonders how many people actually "learned" or "actively utilize" "Speed Reading" techniques where "flow" is an issue. All represent stylistic conventions that change over time as new ones are invented and the use of old ones are discontinued. Or put another way, as old editors are retired and new ones hired.
- One last comment about Media-Wiki (I assume) enforced "Style." While the use of the "==," "===" changes make a nice looking TOC, once you hit the body of the text, most of the visual clues as to where those same topics start and stop are gone. This parent page is a good example. While the "==" items are well delineated, all of the rest of the sub-headings simply blend together. Just look at the top entries ... "Account/Quests & Content/Expansions." The top two are distinctly different, while the third "is different," but simply looks "wrong" -- three different type faces, or maybe two and one bolded? They are not a progression. Which brings up your suggestion "Small caps are sometimes used to make the run of capital letters seem less jarring to the reader." ... A good idea, except that we can't do it. (At least not easily, like clicking the bold or italic buttons.) Hmmm... if it's all CSS enforced, maybe Gwenwyfar can take a pass at it.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2012 (EDT)
- One last comment about Media-Wiki (I assume) enforced "Style." While the use of the "==," "===" changes make a nice looking TOC, once you hit the body of the text, most of the visual clues as to where those same topics start and stop are gone. This parent page is a good example. While the "==" items are well delineated, all of the rest of the sub-headings simply blend together. Just look at the top entries ... "Account/Quests & Content/Expansions." The top two are distinctly different, while the third "is different," but simply looks "wrong" -- three different type faces, or maybe two and one bolded? They are not a progression. Which brings up your suggestion "Small caps are sometimes used to make the run of capital letters seem less jarring to the reader." ... A good idea, except that we can't do it. (At least not easily, like clicking the bold or italic buttons.) Hmmm... if it's all CSS enforced, maybe Gwenwyfar can take a pass at it.
- Since this section already has ditched into off-topic mode I may continue. We can add "backronym" to our vocabulary then ;)
Perl = Practical Extraction and Reporting Language, for example (one of many). However, capitalized as a name and not all upper case (just since you mentioned Perl above, spelled similar to Lotro, which is not a backronym.)
- Since this section already has ditched into off-topic mode I may continue. We can add "backronym" to our vocabulary then ;)
- My first computer experiences are dated mid-70's, yupp, long before the first Mac or PC saw daylight. Those days a game was written text and you typed answers, actions or directions and got more text back. But this is really off topic, people who have not left those days behind should seek help, nowadays we have more computer power in a clock than in a huge server park back then, not to mention calculators and mobile phones. Personally I think it was better now than it is then (lol); rolled up punched paper tape, punched cards, or cassette tapes were did not really leave many good memories though we laugh at the numerous mishaps now.
- Your description of the New Yorker magazine may explain why it is rarely seen in Sweden, but the others I know of. But I can imagine the style, thinking of a few I have seen over the years. Though they tend to have less side effects than sleeping pills might have, except for people who easily dislocate their jaws in yawn position.
- However, I disagree on reading speed, perhaps we could think of it as ease-of-read or smooth-reading. Because I am not really interested in speed but the flow, whether fast or what. And those universal things does not change, new methods and ideas pop up, yes, but eventually the worse suffocate to death when it turns out they were bad for business. No existing Internet company today can afford having text, pages, or features that makes people shut that tab and google along to the next place; on-line businesses today are very alert on adapting to smoother experiences for the visitors. But of course, there are bad eggs in any large basket.
- Back to serious mode:
- Regarding your observation on WikiMedia headers and their typography. We are in absolute agreement. They are not really nice to view and I have thought much about it. But I will not pollute this section more with that but agree that we could ask somebody who loves doing and is handy with those CSS-thingies could perhaps review them. Personally it happens that I skip the === and goes straight to ==== just because it gives a nicer face/style scaling with each other, but that is just me.
- Since we in most other cases have let UK English rule, so honouring Tolkien, I will try to find out what established UK style-of-English says on this topic, I mean on capitalization of acronyms. Personally I am kind of agnostic to country or states, communicating is global/universal and we address visitors from all over the world. Hence I guess it is better to have some neutral base then, such as UK.
-- Zimoon (talk) 03:17, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
- Since we in most other cases have let UK English rule, so honouring Tolkien, I will try to find out what established UK style-of-English says on this topic, I mean on capitalization of acronyms. Personally I am kind of agnostic to country or states, communicating is global/universal and we address visitors from all over the world. Hence I guess it is better to have some neutral base then, such as UK.
- Yawn. ouch RingTailCat (talk) 03:40, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
Mounted Combat "stuff" in the store
In the Mounted Combat UI, you can purchase "Stats" "XP Accelerators," "Trait Trees," "Legendary Items," and ",Buffs."
In the store the tree looks like:
Browse/War-steeds -
- Buffs & Boosts
- Tasty Carrot
- Writ of Remount
- Appearences
- Legendary Items
- Upgrades
- Trait Specs
- Mounted Combat trait Spec IV to VII (F2P starts at II
- Cosmetic Outfit Slots
- Cosmetic Outfit Slot III to VII
- Trait Specs
There are two "buffs" for Mounted Combat in the Store in B6... A Item: Tasty Carrot and a Item: Writ of Remount -- When I created these two items, I stuck the variable "| purchased_store = " after Deco slot as the "create item" template did not provide it.
I also tried to add a color parameter to match the in-beta version but that didn't work correctly for the Carrot. Worked fine for the writ.
Price in beta is just a placeholder -1 TP.
I don't know how you want to deal with them -- I just created a Mounted Combat Buffs section after Combat in Buffs and Boosts. Thinking about it a bit -- it should probably be labeled "War-steed Buffs" although it is one of each.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 02:03, 10 October 2012 (EDT)
- My original idea for this page was that its structure would mirror the in-game store, so the table of contents should look just like the menus of the store, and if you search for an item on this page, you would know how to find it in the store. So the heading should be whatever it's called in the game, and items should be added under whatever categories they appear under for purchasing.
- I added the purchased_store parameter to the boilerplate and the preload page, so it should show up in Create Item pages now. -- Elinnea (talk) 10:49, 10 October 2012 (EDT)
Changing prices
A note to myself, and anyone else who likes to update the Store page: quite a few items have been raised in price in the store, although for a little while they've put them on sale for the original price, so people can buy them before the costs finally rise. Some have also been reduced in cost, or changed in stack amounts. Source from Sapience on the forums: Forums link. Without an itemized list it could be tough to track down those 2200 items, but there it is. -- Elinnea (talk) 23:10, 20 October 2012 (EDT)
Class items is linking back to itself
Maybe "Class Items
See Class Items"
should link to LOTRO_Store#Classes instead of LOTRO_Store#Class_Items
Mogafi (talk) 13:21, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
- Good catch. That redirect used to point to the class item section higher up on the page, but the entire Character portion of the store has been split out, so the link is now pointing to the wrong place. I'll fix it. -- Elinnea (talk) 22:19, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
Removed/ Replaced Items
Aside from the changing base prices, I thought I'd mention that some items in the store have been removed or replaced with other items. It would be nice if we could somehow figure out which items have changed and correct the LOTRO Store page correspondingly. This, however, would be an arduous task. An example of a removed/replaced item would be the +20% Monster and Quest XP (3 hours)——I would include the link to the discussion but the Asirra Captcha does not appear to be working for me =( . -- UserABC (talk) 20:45, 30 November 2012 (EST)
- Sorry I missed the previous chat, however, reviewing history I notice you mention Derudh's Stone. I do still have one of those in my vault, though I have not checked whether it is renamed. I will do that. If it still exist in game, though it cannot be obtained no more, it should not be erased or "replaced" at this Wiki. Possibly it should be "made obsolete".
- Thanks for your neverending work with updating all those Lotro Store items, it is much appreciated!!! -- Zimoon (talk) 18:37, 9 December 2012 (EST)
- The Derudh's Stone is, in fact, available. Guess it was not appearing on my screen at the time I wrote that (logged on to my level pre-65 toons). Aside from this, I was thinking of the same thing concerning with the unobtainable items-- archiving the "obselete" items in case if Turbine somehow decides to bring them back. UserABC (talk) 23:39, 15 December 2012 (EST)
- The items themselves need to remain on the wiki, but do not need to be listed on the LOTRO Store page if they are not sold any more. The items themselves are never actually deleted from the game; you just might not be able to acquire new ones now. When an update is applied, usually, only those items which are in your inventory are upgraded, replaced, removed, or converted. If you have some of those items in your personal or shared vaults or a housing chest, they are often not changed. This is even more likely when the character is archived!
- When all the different kinds of marks (Skirmish Marks, First Marks, etc.) were consolidated into Marks and Medallions, if you had some of the old items in a vault, they did not get converted. You had to remove them to your inventory, where they got automatically move into the premium wallet, if you had purchased it. After you logged off and on again with that character, those items are converted to the new Marks. If you never remove them from the vault, or don't log in again, they will probably still be there, unchanged, in 5 or 10 years!
- If the last expansion you purchased came with the Derudh's Stone, your new characters will still get created with it, just as if the last expansion you purchased came with the Outrider's Token, when you create a new character, it will get one of them at birth.
- RingTailCat (talk) 00:14, 16 December 2012 (EST)
- As an example of what happens -- I happen to be a Founder/Lifetime player with all of the Expansions as pre-purches, including the "Adventurer." Consequently when ever I create a new character I get a full bags worth of "stuff," a number of cloaks, stones, and other trinkets! Many of them are cosmetics.
- With Update 9 coming tomorrow there will be yet another "token consolidation" -- all of the various festival tokens are being consolidated into one.
- "Festival Currency Unification
- If you use a character previously present on Bullroarer, or copy a character in, you’ll notice that your festival currencies from the different festivals transforms into a single festival currency. It should convert on a one to one basis (one old token for one new unified token). Race tokens obtained from running festival races in Bree and the Shire will also convert into this new unified token, but at a higher rate."
- "Existing Yule Festival Tokens, Frostbluff Coins and all festival Race Tokens will be versioned in to Festival Tokens, a new currency. Documents of Mount Ownership will version in to a Festival Ticket."
- With Update 9 coming tomorrow there will be yet another "token consolidation" -- all of the various festival tokens are being consolidated into one.
- There are also a large number of "stat changes" coming on items. Sadly, there is no way to determine what those changes are except by dumb luck. The Release notes will list some of them, but most will not appear. Similarly, if the past is any example, the Lorebook versions of the items will not be updated for months, if ever. There are still quite a few RoI items "missing" from the Lorebook! (It's easy to verify from the Character Sheet pages at "my.lotro.com". I have toons who have items which are defined in "data.lotro.com" and therefore populated into my.lotro.com Character Sheets, but they have neither image nor tool-tip.
- Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 12:22, 16 December 2012 (EST)
Useful Links for monitoring the Store
In a recent post, Sapience posted urls which appear to represent "fixed" out-of-game access to listing of Store features. They are the same as those used by the "Store" pulldown in the new Forum header.
- https://www.lotro.com/en/lotrostoresale -- apparently the "permanent" home for the pulldown "Store/Weekly Sales" in the Forum header
- https://www.lotro.com/en/lotro-store-exclusive-steeds - whinny, whinny - Store Exclusive Steeds -- whinny, whinny
- https://www.lotro.com/en/lotro-store-quest-packs - a good listing/comparison of current quest and expansion "packs."
Additionally, I note that in the new Forum Header, the "Lotro Market" (store.turbine.com) is also now under the "Store" pulldown.
Links at the top of that page provide direct access to the cash versions of various items.
All in all, a good way to check on changes... as will be anticipated shortly for Helms Deep.
Beta 6 comments
1- I stuck the "Westemnet Tailor Recipe Book info under Tailor Westemnet Recipe Index. ... price in the beta is only 50 
which I assume to be temporary as the T8 book is 500
2- I note that in the lower left corner of the Store window is a "blue light special" window.... apparently something on special sale for a limited time -- it includes a count-down timer! Although it matches one item from the "Current Sales" button at the top... ?
Human Logical order vs Brain-dead Turbine order.
As I'm playing with the Expansions and Quest Pack: sections, I noted that there were a couple of entries "out of sequence." What is not obvious to me is is Turbine just screwed up logically, or do they randomly re-arrange the order of things? For example, right now "Account > Expansions" has six entries:
- Expansion Quests: Mirkwood
- Expansion Quests: Moria
- Expansion: Helm's Deep
- Expansion: Mines of Moria
- Expansion: Riders of Rohan
- Expansion: Isengard
Then for Account > Quest Pack:s 14 entries:
- Expansion Quests: Isengard
- Expansion Quests: Rohan
- Quest Pack: Angmar
- Quest Pack: Enedwaith
- Quest Pack: Eregion
- Quest Pack: Eriador Bundle
- Quest Pack: Evendim
- Quest Pack: Forochel
- Quest Pack: Great River
- Quest Pack: Lothlorien
- Quest Pack: Misty Mountains
- Quest Pack: North Downs
- Quest Pack: Trollshaws
- Quest Pack: Wildermore
Annoying
LOTRO Store Crashes
The LOTRO Store seems to crash the game almost every time I try to start it. I know this is a known issue, but does anyone else have this problem? Does anyone else know when Turbine is planning to fix it?
- They're testing a fix in the current beta of Update 18. They're also testing a fix for the PayPal problem. Also, please sign your post with four tildas so we know who's posting. --Gestrid (talk) 00:01, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, many of us have that problem. It started after the maintenance done around the beginning of March.
- There has been many rumours about it being a problem with addons that work with items, a problem with windows xp, a problem with...
- All those rumours are false, it's a problem with the game. Turbine has put in the patch notes something about a possible fix but personally I'm not holding my breath.
- Mogafi (talk) 00:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Far Anorian Region Pack
I see the Far Anorian Region Pack is listed under expansions. Should it be there? Or should it be under Quest Packs? None of its quests were ever part of an official expansion. -- Gestrid (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
- You might be right in your thinking but as far as I know this article follows the hierarchy of the store in the game. In the game it shows under "Account → Expansions" and also under "Account → Quest Packs" but expansions comes first in the list.
- Mogafi (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Recent updates to the on-line store
The recent updates to the on-line store are (mostly) complete as outlined by QuartermasterU today, 3 June, 2016:
Originally posted by QuartermasterU: On-line Store Maintenance: 5/20-6/1/2016 For clarity - This is being done so that we can import our key redemption process into the in-game store. Thank you all for your patience as we updated our Key Redemption process. Keys that you buy from Steam, Digital River, Amazon, or another retailer, can now be redeemed through the in-game store. At this time the only keys that cannot be redeemed are: * 30/60/365 day, Game Time Cards * Moria Collectors and Complete Editions We are working to resolve this and will announce when they are able to be accepted. In the meantime, if you have purchased a GTC or one of the above Editions, please hold onto the code.[/quote]