Talk:Deeds
Deed article naming scheme
What is the "official" naming scheme for deeds, specificially slayer deeds. I've seen, for example "Orc-slayer", "Orc-slayer_(Angmar)", "Orc-slayer_(Advanced)_(Angmar)", "Orc-slayer_(Angmar)_(Advanced)" etc. I can see the need to put the region in the title, because multiple regions have slayer deeds for the same type of mob, but what order should they be put in in the article name? "Mob-slayer_(Advanced)_(Region)" seems the most logical to me because the deeds in game can me "Mob-Slayer" and "Mob-slayer_(Advanced)" so should the region always be included, and always be at the end of the article name.
If this is the case, then a lot of articles are going to need to be renamed/redirected/deleted etc. I don't mind doing this, I've been adding and updating deeds a lot lately. Bpollock00 14:20, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
- The idea is that a deed is called Mob-slayer or Mob-slayer (Advanced) (insert appropriate Mob at "Mob"). If there are multiple deeds of a species in different areas, there should be added (Region) after the usual deed name. So that would result in Mob-slayer (Region) and Mob-slayer (Advanced) (Region).
- If you see any Mob-slayer (Region) (Advanced), they should be corrected to Mob-slayer (Advanced) (Region). Adding the region is only needed if there are multiple deeds with the same name but in different regions. Hope this helps. --Ravanel 07:28, 9 September 2010 (EDT)
Separate article for every deed
What would you say about creating a separate article for every deed? Has it been discussed and deemed unnecessary? IMO it would be easier to find the information you are looking for this way (eg. deeds giving a specific virtue as a reward). Orions 08:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- There are pages for Virtue Deeds, Virtues by Region, Virtues ordered by attribute etc... but they quickly become outdated as new deeds and areas are added. Each deed ultimately should have its own page, and I believe there is a deed template for this, but my first priority is just getting a master list of all the deeds (especially the hidden ones) before working on them individuallay. I usually personally verify hidden deeds and titles before I add them; fortunatley I am a deedoholic and title collector. MysterX 16:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Deed template
Ok, I've created a template for deeds, Template:Deed. Several deeds are already using it, I'll be steadily converting more. Orions 22:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- With the next content update Turbine Points will we granted to those who compleet certain deeds, i've allready added a couple of new deeds in Enedwaith with their ammount of points... maybe it's possible to add this to the template?? --Tiberivs 07:47, 9 September 2010 (EDT)
Deed structure
I've begun reworking the deed structure, beginning with regional deeds. The new structure is:
- The Deeds page links to appropriate Categories, not to plain text articles
- Every category has a link to the former plain text article - see Category:Angmar_Deeds
- Every Deed should be created as a separate page, and appropriately categorized - which can be done with Template:Deed
Orions 08:02, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
One comment -
Pages should link to articles, rather than categories. Categories are just a list, but the articles can (and should) be ordered and have additional information such as deed level, region etc; they provide more information than a simple list. Uloria 15:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed, articles surely provide more info than lists. But IMO if you want to get precise information, you should be easily directed to an article concerning specific object (in this example an article describing a single specific deed). And in order to be easily directed, you have to have a clear list. The present deed articles (for example Angmar Deeds) are clear and full of useful information, but I think that categories are easier to maintain in the long term (that is when new deeds appear, deeds change their effects and so on. Orions 18:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- One problem is that the search function does not bring up Categories. There have been a lot of articles on this Wiki that were entirely written on the category page, where they would not be found. This also means that the actual articles need to be kept up-to-date, manually (where additional useful information can be included, if desired).
- In any case just a long alphabetical list is of very little help. In other words, if someone simply wanted to look up a deed (which is the purpose of an alphabetic list), they would simply use the search function, not go to the categories. Uloria 00:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was once told my the admins before me that categories should remain in the background. In other words never seen by the common viewer (unless purposely gone to). There does need to be article pages and links to articles instead of categories. If the problem is what we have for article pages is too lengthy or doesn't have enough information that needs to change, not the link. Uloria is correct, the search function does not take into account categories, however it does provide options if the person doesn't search correctly and those options DO include categories. So, this has changed. Rogue 00:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I see your points. Especially the categories not being searchable kind of puts a dent in my master plan to rule the universe :P I have two reservations though - first, if that is the case, what is the practical use of categories at all? Just grouping articles for the ease of editing and maintaining? Second reservation is something Uloria mentioned - the need to manually edit all articles. Let's consider an example - assuming we do not maintain deed categories at all - now lets assume a deed somewhere in Bree-land changes its reward from say +1 Valour to +1 Honour. We have to update that in 4 places - on the specific Deed article, Bree-land Deeds article and on the Valour Deeds article and on the Honour Deeds article... That is something I wanted to work around with categories. Any suggestions? Orions 05:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Automatic updating can be done through templates. (Categories just skirt the issue by not giving the information at all.) One way I can think of would be to add <noinclude></noinclude> tags to the cut-and-paste Deeds template. In theory, this would allow you to use the individual deed pages as templates ({{:deed article name}} on these other pages, just filtering in the relevant information... Uloria 16:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think I understand what you have in mind. I'll try to sandbox it a little and see where that leads me. --Orions 17:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Automatic updating can be done through templates. (Categories just skirt the issue by not giving the information at all.) One way I can think of would be to add <noinclude></noinclude> tags to the cut-and-paste Deeds template. In theory, this would allow you to use the individual deed pages as templates ({{:deed article name}} on these other pages, just filtering in the relevant information... Uloria 16:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I see your points. Especially the categories not being searchable kind of puts a dent in my master plan to rule the universe :P I have two reservations though - first, if that is the case, what is the practical use of categories at all? Just grouping articles for the ease of editing and maintaining? Second reservation is something Uloria mentioned - the need to manually edit all articles. Let's consider an example - assuming we do not maintain deed categories at all - now lets assume a deed somewhere in Bree-land changes its reward from say +1 Valour to +1 Honour. We have to update that in 4 places - on the specific Deed article, Bree-land Deeds article and on the Valour Deeds article and on the Honour Deeds article... That is something I wanted to work around with categories. Any suggestions? Orions 05:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was once told my the admins before me that categories should remain in the background. In other words never seen by the common viewer (unless purposely gone to). There does need to be article pages and links to articles instead of categories. If the problem is what we have for article pages is too lengthy or doesn't have enough information that needs to change, not the link. Uloria is correct, the search function does not take into account categories, however it does provide options if the person doesn't search correctly and those options DO include categories. So, this has changed. Rogue 00:12, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Instances Deeds
I started to add the new deeds from those last 2 new instances, and I noticed that many instance deeds have are listed as Regional, and it's specific region.... I think we should move all those deeds to the right place. And I'm planning to do so, what do you think?? For instance, Maze Wing is listed as:
|Deed-type = Regional |Deed-subtype = Bree-land |Regional-sub = Slayer
This should be
|Deed-type = Instance |Deed-subtype = Shadows of Angmar |Regional-sub = Slayer
or
|Deed-type = Shadows of Angmar |Deed-subtype = Bree-land |Regional-sub = Slayer
or adding a new variable
|Deed-type = Instance |Deed-subtype = Shadows of Angmar |Deed-subtype2 = Bree-land |Regional-sub = Slayer
What do you think? --Tiberivs 13:08, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
- Hmzz or should we stick to the setup used recently for the In Their Absence Deeds like:
|Deed-type = Instances |Deed-subtype = Northcotton Farm |Regional-sub = Explorer
- And add the catogory from the subtype to In Their Absence Deeds in this case? --Tiberivs 13:21, 4 June 2011 (EDT)
RoI Changes
All deeds don't seem to have an initial deed and then an advanced version anymore. This means we'll have to delete >50% of all our deed pages and update the rest with their appropriate number of kills and rewards. --Ravanel (talk) 05:22, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
Rise of Isengard Deeds
The Tower of Orthanc, The Foundry, Roots of Fangorn, Darg, Fangorn's Edge, Pits of Isengard deed pages have been created. I believe I created most of them, However more details could be added for the T2 Challenges that I cant see yet. Most of them are categorized "Rise of Isengard Deeds", but they need to be labeled uniformly and have 'lore' or 'slayer' deeds added. There is several comments on the Talk:The Tower of Orthanc page. (Majikk17 (talk) 13:27, 3 May 2012 (EDT))
- You are doing just great. The Deeds template is not user-friendly at the moment, we tweaked how it worked but the parameters are misleading I guess. Check up on some deeds for areas lower-levels than Evendim and you'll get the idea, these are for certain updated and categories fixed, though I believe Magill fixed many (or all?) of the higher level areas. The general idea is to figure out how to connect the categories so they are at one point or the other included in relevant parent-categories. And also in geography, etc. Our categories does not 100% match what is seen in the deeds log, I guess that there is not, for example, an entry in the in-game deed log that reads Rise of Isengard Slayer Deeds, right? Whether we have it or not is another question, should Tower of Orthanc Slayer Deeds be in RoI Slayer Deeds or in Nan Curúnir Slayer Deeds? That is up to ourselves to argue pro and cons --- personally I tend to think: how many X categories will it be in this category? If just one I'd perhaps use another equally fitting category. However, remember the geography categories, that is one way for visitors to find what is available in for example Angmar, or The Trollshaws, or... you get the idea ;)
- Don't be afraid to go ahead, almost anything can be fixed later on.
- -- Zimoon (talk) 13:37, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
Meta deed additions in Update 13
- Around 70 Meta Deeds have been added to the deeds for all regions.
- Meta deeds for Slayers Deeds, Lore Deeds, Explorer Deeds -- and Meta deeds for completing all of the Meta Deeds in Regions!
- Most Meta deeds will be awarding Lootboxes and Marks.
Deed Icons
Someone with access to all or most of the deed icons should update the icon database with them. There are plenty of deeds out there with bullets instead of the proper icon next to the objective (ex. Dol Amroth - Buildings and Discovering the Descendant). There should at least be nine, as seen on this Talk page's main page. --Gestrid (talk) 20:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
U 18.1 changes many slayer deed requirements.
I do not know now accurate the list is, but it is worth using as a starting point. I Inserted it into the page called Category: Slayer Deeds.
Regional Deeds - Namespace notice
When I look at the links to regional deeds, they link to category pages that contain:
- a listed overview of all deeds in that region
- the actual regional deed pages
This goes against a basic rule: pages get stored in categories; information gets stored in articles. This is because articles are meant for readers and categories primarily for editors. Linking to categories should be kept to a minimum! To follow wiki standards, 1. (the overview tables) should be moved to article pages - only 2. stays in the categories. If necessary, we can transclude the article info into the relevant categories, but in the case of regional deeds I'm not a fan because it clutters the category pages so much that you have to scroll down in order to find the actual pages (the main goal of categories). See for example Category:The Plateau of Gorgoroth Deeds. --Ravanel (talk) 12:26, 4 March 2018 (UTC)