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Comments and response on the Lore surrounding Zôreth, the Stout-Axe Darves, and Lûghash.

Originally posted by Oelle:
Mordor - a part of the story I just dont get obviously, spoilers following...
So, in Dor Amarth, we meet some dwarfs. All fine. They tell us, they work for a woman that was the only one that wanted those dwarfs to work for her, when all others would just have banned or killed the dwarfs after they lost their leader to sauron (nice attitude, merciful, right?).

What we find out about said woman is, that she is interested in information and has the power to control ghosts and control people with those ghosts. Her goal seems to be finding information, mainly concerning the dwarfs ring of power.

As I see it, the only "evil" thing we know about her is, that she uses some type of necromancy. But we are not opposed to work with ghosts, as we do so several times in Mordor (at least we work together with two ghosty-statues and allow a third to get into our mind). Soo... after some time, we free the dwarf king and he is totally into getting his ring back... then we follow him to the nice lady and kill her. Just because Mr crazy dwarf king is silly.
Why would we do that? Shouldnt we and Gimli tell him to stop and take that woman as hostage and seek for the knowledge she has? She could be a good source of information and doesnt really seem evil enough to need her dead. When I first played that part, I stood there and thought "what the #### is happening here?" "why am I supposed to attack her?" "Why cant I attack the dwarf king instead?"

Its like all she sais is true and he is just a silly idiot and she even predicts he will destroy his folk with his search for that ring...

Can someone tell me why it is as it is? I just dont get it. With the other parts in Mordor, I had no issues with the story... Have no problem to work for one side and then the other to create some havoc... no issues either with working together with some goblins for information or just profit... but that part really confused me...


Originally posted byThePinion:
ALSO SPOILERS:
Zôreth was well aware of how dire a situation the Stout-axes were in after Sauron devastated their halls, but if the Stout-axes had no use to her, she would have fallen in line with the rest of her kin. While it seems merciful from the perspectives of some of the Stout-axes, it was a self-serving act by Zôreth to gain power by leveraging the Stout-axes' desperation to aid in her own pursuit of power. In fact, her desire for power of her own was so overwhelming that even the Order of the Eye found her methods unscrupulous, selfish, and to some degree: blasphemous against Sauron himself. Zôreth is/was a pariah, even among her own people.
As for King Greytooth, he had a lot of things to reconcile with his newfound freedom. He had to at once transition from forgotten prisoner to a beacon of hope among his people, while at the same time battling the hold the Dwarf-ring had on him from years of torture by Sauron. Learning that he'd essentially been tricked out of his family heirloom by both Zôreth and Sauron at the same moment, he snapped in a fit of anger and despair and the Ring reasserted its lingering hold on him. Zôreth was evil, and held his people as slaves - alive, but a far shot from the glory of their past. King Greytooth wanted to break that cycle, and Gimli's better sense failed him in that moment as he was still caught between his duty and his personal interest in seeing the Stout-axes become an ally of his people.
In the end, Zôreth does predict King Greytooth's downfall in seeking the Ring, but she wanted that same power for herself and would not have hesitated to wield it were the roles reversed. If she got what she wanted, she would have cast the Stout-axes aside immediately.
I hope that helps clear it up!
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 15:46, 19 December 2017 (UTC)