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Wiki host

I'm guessing you're the one that hosts this wiki, and as such the one whom I'd have to talk to about adding extensions and adjusting configurations? Technical 13 (talk) 01:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I would be the one, what did you need? --Lotroadmin (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
  • There are a list of things to consider.
  • $wgArticlePath should not be /index.php/$1 -- Wikipedia uses /wiki/$1 and DDOwiki uses /page/$1. In my honest opinion, anything would be better than "index.php".
There's nothing wrong with the default setting that wikipedia uses, and if we changed it would break existing links from all the various fansites that linked here. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Purge is nice to make it much easier for people to clear the cache of a page without having to manually append ?action=purge or &action=purge to the URL for a page.
Done --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Can someone explain how this works? (Or is it really not yet implemented.) The MediaWiki page implies that there should be a new Tab at the top of the page called "Purge" on every page.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
If you click the down arrow between the search box and the "watchlist" star, there's an option that says "Purge". Not sure if that was there before or not. -- Gestrid (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Correct. That was not there before and clicking it will purge the server side cache for the page to render the most current version (See forcelinkupdate for details of what this does in a nutshell. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:ImageMap allows clickable image maps. This is a nice way to have a map of an area with the ability to click on various points of interest and it take you to the page for that poi.
Done --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:14, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
As I read the MediaWiki page, this extension is automatically included with MediaWiki version 1.21 and above -- we are now running 1.23 -- or is that upgrade what = done.:)
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Included with the package does not imply installed or configured. "Automatically included" simply means that you don't have to DL it separately. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:InputBox works great for adding a specific search box to a page or having the ability to create a new page with a preload and set of specific parameters.
CreateArticle Is alive and well here, so give that a go. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • "CreateArticle is used to create articles only (the search features of Inputbox have been removed)" -- The search features are what I was asking for. I don't have an immediate use in mind, however, so I'm willing to stay request of this for now. Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Loops works with the already installed Extension:Variables to be able to process templates with multiple similar parameters or things that can be done repetitively.
Done --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the BackLinks and Anchors are attempting to do, can you describe that a little more. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC) 
<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
/** CSS placed here will be applied to all skins */
body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display:none; }
/*
This is the CSS for all skins (for all users) on MediaWiki.org. 

SECTIONS:
1. Indication of namespaces
2. Color classes for content
3. Special pages
4. Main page styling
5. Sidebar external links
6. Extension:Matrix stuff
7. Wikitables, infobox templates, warnings, and other such stylings
8. Some other small things
9. Lotro-Wiki stuff
10.Collapse styles
*/

/***** 1. INDICATION OF NAMESPACES *****/

...

/***** 2. COLOR CLASSES FOR CONTENT  *****/

...

/***** 3. Special pages *****/

...
</syntaxhighlight>
This extension would allow (the source above to render styled as css for one [once the Template:Tag is removed] and for two) the gadgets listed above to make it so that https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Common.css#3._Special_pages would take you to section three on the page. It would also allow you to take the SECTIONS: TOC thing and make it an actual TOC by making links [[#1. Indication of namespaces]], [[#2. Color classes for content]], [[#3. Special pages]], etc. Example usage would be http://ddowiki.com/page/MediaWiki:Common.css#End_of_pop-up_fix Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Gadgets is a great extension to allow me to move all of the Category:Gadgets I copied over from DDOwiki that I made or modified from Wikipedia into the MediaWiki: namespace and make them easily available for everyone.
Done -- We had this extension in the past and it just didn't gain any traction and was removed in a template reduction a few MW versions ago. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Widgets allows administrators (I recommend against a separate "Widget Editor" group and just add the right to admin) to make gadgets to allow walk-through and tutorial videos from YouTube or Twitter feeds or other widgets like the one for https://discord.me/lotro-wiki available for people to see.
I've never been a fan of embedded HTML in a wiki just from a security standpoint, but more importantly It makes it more difficult for new editors to update. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Niether am I, which is why only by default only a special trusted group (widget_editors) is permitted. Personally, I'm of the mindset that's not good enough and only administrators should be trusted with such a thing (which is why the special group was deprecated in favor of it being admin only on DDOwiki with the most recent core update). Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like we are in agreement then, we won't be adding this extension. --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I'd still like to see it installed, but I do agree that only a certain set of trusted users should be able to edit things in the Widget: namespace. I'd suggest the threshold be administrators but I would be okay if it was directors and we could all make edit requests on talk pages for it or whatever. Embedded YouTube walk-through videos and official Twitter feeds (Template:OnTwitter or Template:OnTwitter for examples) are very nice to have. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
There's probably other stuff that would make great improvements as well. I don't suppose the localsettings.php is available in a private repo on GitHub or something so I can help there with pull requests? Thanks, and I'd love feedback/discussion about any of these. :) Technical 13 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I already thought this wiki was great.... The local settings file isn't on github. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Fair enough, and I don't expect you to put it up as you don't know me that well yet to trust me to help with such a thing. I'm okay with that... Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
If we changed the URL to /wiki/ or something like that, would we be able to setup a redirect to fix the inevitable broken links we would cause? -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't see anything wrong with the current approach, it's worked find for almost ten years. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • People trying to find a page really shouldn't be dead-ended... The code for the redirect would go in a file named 404.php and look like:
<?php /* header("HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"); */ ?>
<html>
<head>
<title>
LotRO-Wiki page not found: <?php echo 'http://' . $_SERVER["SERVER_NAME"] . $_SERVER["REQUEST_URI"] ?>
</title>
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico">
<meta name="ROBOTS" content="NOARCHIVE, NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW">
<?php echo '<meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="5; URL=https://' . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . '/index.php' . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] . '">' ?>
</head>
<body>
<h1>404 error: Page not found</h1>
The URL you requested was not found.

<p><b>Did you mean to type 
<?php
        echo
        '<a href="https://' . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . '/index.php' . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] . '">'
        . $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] . '/index.php' . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']
        . '</a>'
?>
?</b> You will be automatically redirected there in five seconds.</p>

<p> Maybe you would like to look at:
<p>
<ul><li><a href="/">The main page</a></ul>
<ul><li><a href="/index.php/Special:Search">The search page</a></ul>
<p>

</body>
</html>
There's no reason to change it other than it might look pretty, or the trend from the php junkies is to hide that's it's php. There is no technical merit to make this change. --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • The only technical merit, of course, is the technical limitation of the old folks who play and use the wiki that can't remember the excessively long URLs. But... I digress if that's not a concern. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Another thing I just noticed... Special:ListGroupRights shows (all) as not having (edit) but they have (createtalk), (createpage), (writeapi), (editmyoptions), (editmyprivateinfo), (editmyusercss), (editmyuserjs), and (editmywatchlist) of which none of those will work without an account or (edit). Is that as is intended to not allow anons to edit at all? Technical 13 (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Correct, you have to register to edit a page. --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • This makes it really hard for people who don't want to or are afraid to edit to make edit requests on talk pages. I think that should probably be a discussion for a different page to get more community feedback though. I'll propose that anons should be able to edit/create talk pages only perhaps. Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
1) I'm not a fan of anon edits, and it's not that hard to edit a wiki. 2) it minimizes spam, 3) this is the first request for this for the life of the wiki.
It's just not going to happen --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Anonymous editing is really a very bad idea. It leads to flamewars and worse. If people are afraid or don't want to create an account, then they have other problems. The WIKI is not a Chat room. We eliminted that functionality several years ago because, like the IRC they were never used, except by 2 or 3 people.
One cannot use Discord without registering. I see no reason why the WIKI should be any less restrictive.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Moot point, but the wiki should be less restrictive in this because it is intended to by a community built source of information and not just a social/chat site. Technically, anons are registered by their IP addresses, the only real purpose to creating an account is to publicly hide your IP. DDOwiki allows IP/anon editing - there is a VAST amount more spam from registered accounts than non. http://ddowiki.com/page/Special:Log/block for example shows that the vast majority of spam accounts are registered. The blocks on IP addresses by me are all IPs that were creating new accounts as fast as I was blocking the old ones. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 18:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
It's fine to have the .com here. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Another question: If Lotroadmin was to implement these things (including changing index.php), would there be any downtime while everything was being done? If so, how much (rough estimate)? One reason I'm asking is, because this is likely the number one wiki about LotRO, we can't just go offline (or put up some maintenance page or something) without warning. It would have to be scheduled, and a rough estimate of when the site would go back up would likely have to be given. -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It shouldn't require any downtime. These changes could be implemented on the fly. Technical 13 (talk) 03:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I've marked done of what i've done and commented on items we can discuss. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey, as long as we're importing extensions, a couple useful ones (if they're compatible) could be User link and Ping. Ping comes out as "@USERNAME:" and notifies the user in the parameter that they've been mentioned, both by email (if set up) and by the Notifications feature on Wikipedia. User link does the same thing, but it comes out as "USERNAME". I'm not sure if the current implementation of [[User:USERNAME]] does this already on this site. (Come to think of it, Wikipedia's version of [[User:USERNAME]] also notifies the user.) -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 06:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Both of those are templates that make use of the Notification feature that is only in newer versions of MW. It might not even be release into the wild as it wasn't clear from the MW page. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:30, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Good to know. Thanks for the quick reply. -- Gestrid (previously Super3588) (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Extension:Echo (AKA Notifications) Is a good extension to use and is accessible for MW1.23+ which is what is in use here. I just didn't want to ask for too much at once and am not that familiar with this wiki yet to know how it would be received or used. Technical 13 (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I will plan to enable this when i upgrade the MW software... eventually --Lotroadmin (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Wierd category for this page.

Ok... I give up. Where is the "Category: User talk links to Twitter" entry at the bottom of the page coming from?

I don't see any category statements which would trigger it.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:32, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Technical 13 created the category for his userpage. It was originally used by him on DDOwiki. -- Gestrid (talk) 16:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It comes from the calls to {{OnTwitter}} in the above section. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 20:59, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Does anyone still tweet? Lol. --Lotroadmin (talk) 00:36, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I guess folks still use VHS tapes too... --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Social Media links on this wiki...

I've probably made it clear what social media platforms i find worthless, but with Technical 13 push with social media, which do you feel actually makes sense to support here? I can understand the video related ones, but Facebook and twitter just doesn't appear to me or anyone that i've talked to at several age levels. Of course most of those are not gamers, and as I've avoided the perceived fads, what does make sense? YouTube, Vimeo, Twitch, Discord I see attractive, but IRC, Twitter and Facebook i don't.. (of course IRC isn't considered social media, but it's really the grandad of all this..) Keep in mind they all are supported, even Facebook has been removed from the heavy hammer spam filter, but what really needed. I don't like a lot of "stuff" because we can do it, we've always been on the lean side for customization, and I'm still unsure of what additional benifit these templates actually do provide. --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

I actually started a discussion at Talk:Main Page regarding linking to LotRO's social media from the main page. When the discussion turned to including the Twitch streamers as well, I suggested we just make a page with all the links on them and created a page in my userspace that can be moved to mainspace when ready. See User:Gestrid/Social Media for that page. -- Gestrid (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey, I just noticed the promotion! Thank you! May I ask what I did to deserve it? -- Gestrid (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

For you, it seems like you have the Wiki's best interest in mind, and that you've been editing for the last couple of years. I will admit i'm not perfect at handing out promotions and the like, so if i missed anyone you now have those same powers! --Lotroadmin (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Congrats!

We've actually been linked to by LOTRO's official social media! See [1]. -- Gestrid (talk) 20:39, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Once upon a time they listed their "fansites" and we were one of the premium ones. What's interesting is that page hasn't been update since 2013, which is even more cool i think. --Lotroadmin (talk) 02:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I realize this was months ago, but I just now took the time to search through the Internet Archive and found the list! I still kinda miss MyLotRO and the Lorebook. I joined LotRO just a few months before they updated their website (September 15, 2012, according to the My Account website). — Gestrid (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

A CategoryTree bug?

This particular "quirk" appears to be an "interaction bug."
I encountered a problem with the Badgers page while attempting to indent the CategoryTree using colons.
When using ":" or "::" to indent the line: <categorytree depth="1" hideprefix="always" showcount="on">Badgers</categorytree> - that CategoryTree line is indented as expected,
however, the Category line at the bottom of the page displays at the left margin, instead of within the bordered area.
This "left justification" tends to overlap the left margin index of the page display.
Workaround: Using Blockquote achieves the desired indent, and leaves the "Category:" line within the display area where it belongs.
"CategoryTree" is an extenstion to the basic MediaWiki - apparently now indtegrated into the base release. See the special page: Special:version, and follow the link to the CategoryTree documentation; the explanation at the top of the page.
Our Version page shows a 2-year gap between the version of Media Wiki and of Category tree. However, on the MediaWiki documentation page, I don't find a version number. It appears to be listed as "Rwlease Status: Stable" and "Latest Version" as "continuious updates" -- which to me implies that it is part of the base relase now.
  • So one question becomes -- do we have an old version installed that is replacing the now released version?
  • Assuming our version is current, the second question then becomes, can you submit a bug report on this behavior.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 12:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
I looked around and we are at the latest "tested" version for the MW release we are on. I hope to spend more time to upgrade the MW version in the coming weeks with the hope that will address this and other issues. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:44, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Music samples

I'd like to add short 30-second audio samples of the various housing music listed on Ambient Music. However, the wiki does not currently allow uploading of .ogg or .mp3 files. Would it be possible to allow these file types and also would this be permitted under our "fan license" from Turbine? --Gaerlin (talk) 15:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

I've enabled the ability to upload several audio formats, but it's been hit and miss on browser support. Please do avoid any license file formats like mp3 (even though i guess it's okay to decode, but not encode). Lets consider this a test on 1) browser compatibility, 2) server load and 3) we still need to "tune" stuff. I want to lock down the file format to just one really, one that will support the most browsers and least server BW and load. I would like to also have a way to limit the song length, but unsure how best to do that. Sorry for the delayed response here, just been a hectic month for me. --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:42, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm not finding a good option so far. Tried .ogg/.oga/.opus (which are all the same format), which will play inline on Chrome and Firefox but not on Safari or IE/Edge (you just get a prompt to download the file so you have to use an external player). Also tried .wav but the files are too big. Also .flac are not reliably supported even on Chrome. Might we consider using .mp3 which is probably the most compatible? According to mp3licensing.com there's no royalties required for use of mp3 as long as you're an "entity with associated gross annual revenue less than $100,000". My test page is Item:'Tom Bombadil' Theme --Gaerlin (talk) 14:38, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Caniuse is good for seeing the current state of browser support for things: http://caniuse.com/#search=audio%20format --Meyla (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
For what i can gather mp3 is still out as a file format sadlly, but i need to doublecheck the server libraries as i think there is a missing dependency as webm should be enabled and should work everywhere but iOS. If I can get that to work then maybe thats a good compromise. --Lotroadmin (talk) 23:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I've disabled the extensions for now, but we can revisit this after I upgrade the wiki to MW1.28 --Lotroadmin (talk) 06:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Bot account

After discussion on the Discord server, User:Amphoras suggested I make a bot account so that I can use the autosave feature of AWB instead of having to manually review 100+ edits. So, I've created Goblin scribe and I'm here to request it to be a bot account. Thanks. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 16:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Ive asked you to never edit a template yet you have been doing that. At this point you need to have admins tell me why i shouldnt ban you permanently. --Lotroadmin (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't know. Maybe because User:Amphoras said to edit those templates?
    User:Amphoras - Yesterday at 4:03 PM A large number of those pages link to it because they use {{worth}} or {{deed}}. Changing it on them should take care of virtually all of them Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 04:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I didn't really tell you to update them, you were already going to do that. I didn't know you were banned from editting templates, you should have got someone else to change those pages and done the rest yourself. Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 12:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
In this case, I will disable the account --Lotroadmin (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Updating disclaimers

Someone should probably update Lotro-Wiki.com:General disclaimer with the appropriate copyright disclaimers for Standing Stone Games. I would attempt to do it, but I'm not currently in a position to (I'm on my phone.), and I have no idea if there's some sort of process involved or not. — Gestrid (talk) 18:32, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Aha. Didn't think of them. I've updated much of the Legal boilerplate in the Game terms: Game_Terms#Legal. But have been waiting for SSG to "catch-up" with the rest.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Database Error

* Did notice this a while back and was only able to find your account with the issue, do we have other examples? I will look more into this on a copy of the wiki --Lotroadmin (talk) 07:10, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  • It's that specific edit that's got the issue. You'd have to look in the DB itself to see what the edit is and why it would be causing an issue. Anyone else who made a similar edit or had a similar action taken on an edit like that one would have the same issue. Technical 13 ( t | e | c | h ) 14:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

MediaWiki upgrade

With some luck we will be current with the MW releases again real soon, but first, I want to do some housecleaning on the extensions:

  • With the new upgrade the following extensions will be removed:
Cite
mostly is integrated with MediaWiki now and since it's unused, we probably don't need the additional hooks.
ImageMap
unused, but i think the map tooltip covers this better anyways.
  • Extensions that I am considering for removal - so editors, please speak up
Gadgets
value seems low (again), also screws up charset. (in other words, gadgets need to be disabled for every user by default for this to stick around)
Variable
only used once, but seems to have some value..
Loops
doesn't appear to be used, but seems to have some value...
CreateArticle
high value... We will need to find a replacement as the stability of the extension has been downgraded a few times, but I don't plan on removing it just yet since it's helpful on creating new pages.

For those in the know, I've removed traces of the old phpbb and the test wiki, and there will be no hope in reviving those features.

I will probably set up a set server this round, so if you want to help debug, let me know here and I will provide details on how to access the server. --Lotroadmin (talk) 07:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't know too much about those extensions, other than that I don't use any gadgets (although I can guess what CreateArticle does). I would love to help you debug, of course! — Gestrid (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

More spam

I think we had a influx of spam today so i've changed up the captcha settings and add a keyword to the harsh spam filter. I don't expect anyone to actually type their email address on any page here, so g mail has been added to the filter. --Lotroadmin (talk) 04:41, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Changes to sidebar

Did you intentionally change the contents of the sidebar?
I losst contact with the server briefly somewhere before 8pm EDT, and a bit later, when I went to create a new Item, I realized that the tools in the sidebar had chaged.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:09, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
It looks like a default sidebar -- "Help" goes to media-wiki.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 00:11, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
I purged the sidebar and it looks okay now. Sometimes the cache gets confused just needs to be cleared. --Lotroadmin (talk) 01:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

too many expensive parser function calls

Did we ever arrive at a solution to this problem? I.e. has anybody figured out a way to break these tables up but still have some kind of consolidated look at them?

Herb-master (Host of the West) Barter List is the latest to run afowl of the 500 item limit.

I suspect that as I get around to doing more of the barter lists from U20, that I will trigger others.

Similarly, I assume that Category: Pages where template include size is exceeded is a direct result of the previous
Category: Pages with too many expensive parser function calls
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 16:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
The only option I've found is related to the expensive parser functions like #ifexist but i'm not seeing that used in the templates. Maybe this list can be minimized by listing just the sets vs each item? Can you send me an image of the error message so i can be certain of the failure. --Lotroadmin (talk) 03:49, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
I modified the particular table (Herb-master (Host of the West) Barter List) which previously used multiple calls to the Reward template, to simply display the name of the item, instead of the pretty picture and super imposed count. If you look at the first table and compare it to the second, you will see what I changed to force the count down.
The particularly annoying part of the error, is that once the max count is hit, it stops expanding the remainder of whatever else is on that page - not just the following tables.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 01:27, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
There is an #ifexist used in {{Icon}}, so any template that displays the item icon will could towards the limit. It could be avoided by directly linking to the icon image, but then any changes would have to be done manually everywhere. Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 17:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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