Template talk:Legacy/Cost Table

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Typo?

Max rank 5:
| 6 = {{!!}}9{{!!}}41{{!!}}78{{!!}}95
The 78 is a 77 on my weapon (can only see the last two costs) - is this a typo in the template/did they change some costs or is this a new line that has to be added? --Ravanel (talk) 09:00, 18 January 2012 (EST)

It could be either of those options. Since you don't have the first three numbers, I'd hold off on it for now. If you reforge it/use a scroll of renewal, we could compare those numbers. Kadi (talk) 11:39, 18 January 2012 (EST)

Rank 5 Problem

The information that was added here [1] at no. 2 should've been added at no. 3. No. 2 should contain:
| 2 = {{!!}}95{{!!}}142{{!!}}264{{!!}}324
The legacy Fire-lore Targets should use the above numbers, but now can't. This might also mean that other entries will have to be moved. I don't know how to easily tell what pages are going to be affected. This is important, because those pages will otherwise present the wrong numbers! How can this be solved?

Summary
Rank 5 should probably look like:

{{#ifeq:{{{Max Rank}}}|5|{{#switch: {{{Tier 1 Cost}}}<!-- enters tier 1 cost if there are 5 ranks -->
| 1 = {{!!}}63{{!!}}166{{!!}}308{{!!}}378
| 2 = {{!!}}95{{!!}}142{{!!}}264{{!!}}324
| 3 = {{!!}}79{{!!}}119{{!!}}220{{!!}}270
| 4 = {{!!}}63{{!!}}95{{!!}}176{{!!}}216
| 5 = {{!!}} {{!!}} {{!!}} {{!!}}
| 6 = {{!!}}32{{!!}}48{{!!}}88{{!!}}108
| 7 = {{!!}}9{{!!}}41{{!!}}78{{!!}}95
| #default = {{!!}} {{!!}} {{!!}} {{!!}}
}}

The problem is that we don't know for certain how many values we're missing and where those should go. --Ravanel (talk) 10:54, 18 January 2012 (EST)

I had the same problem when I tried to add a set of costs for max rank 4: the new set of values would be in-between some of the already existing ones. [2] I just added it in the next available higher number, even if that puts them out of order, because otherwise many pages will have to be renumbered. Unless someone has the complete set of all values accessible at once, it's impossible to know, when you're adding a new line, whether there's going to be another one above it or below. Seth mentioned that maybe someone could redo this template someday, because of this and because of its complexity. Amphoras made it very tidy, but it's not exactly friendly to new editors. --Elinnea (talk) 11:07, 18 January 2012 (EST)
Yeah, I tried to put the ones I added in a logical place, but... it's just not going to happen, I think. I don't think there's anything we can do until we get more complete info. Until then, we'd have to redo it constantly. And I don't even know if it's possible to search for all the pages that specifically have 5 ranks, either. Kadi (talk) 11:46, 18 January 2012 (EST)
Indeed you can't. But you can do it manually, which is what I did, and there are luckily no more than 10 legacies that go up to 5 on the wiki. It was pretty scary, but I tried to fix it so it's alright. We'll just have to add later values down. --Ravanel (talk) 05:43, 19 January 2012 (EST)

Variable Legacies

So with Update 5, it looks like the template is broken when it comes to legacies that have different rewards depending on the age and level of the LI. Missing numbers, calculations off a bit... I'm not terribly confident of my template editing skills (as of a month ago, I'd never even looked at the coding of a template). Does anyone feel more confident about editing it? Or at the very least is willing to collaborate and we can try to figure it out together? User:Amphoras looks like the original creator - are you able and/or willing to help update this? Thanks!  :) Kadi (talk) 05:29, 19 January 2012 (EST)

Sorry, I've not been on recently so hadn't seen these. I replied to Rav's question on my talk page, I'll try and answer the points here as well.
  1. It might be a typo, I don't remember whether I added those numbers or not (probably did) or what legacy it came from. It might also be something that's been changed since, there's been a lot of changes to legacies since I made this.
  2. There are a lot of numbers missing, and really it would be better to redo the numbering for ones like rank 5. The reason its like this is that when I made the tables, I had to collect the numbers from LI's I had access to. As there were only a few legacies that went up to rank 4/5, I had fewer numbers for those (eg. I originally only had numbers for one tier of rank 5 legacies). I knew there were probably some others in between, but I didn't know how many, so I just numbered them based on what I had.
  3. There are probably improvements that can be made to the entire template as a whole. This was the first template I ever worked on, not long after I started editing on the wiki. There are a lot of things I didn't know when I made it, and lots of things were just trial and error until I found something that worked. As such, there's probably lots that isn't the "ideal" or "correct" way to do it.
  4. The legacies that vary with level/age shouldn't be too hard to fix. It just needs some extra parameters added to take the rating values for the higher level legacies, and the tables updated to use those instead of the current ones for those levels/ages.
I'm really busy with uni work just now, so I probably won't have time to do any of this at the moment. If no one else manages to do it then I will try and update it when I get time, but I don't know when that will be. It might be another few weeks yet. Hope this helps. Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 19:12, 23 January 2012 (EST)
There certainly is a problem with rating based legacies, as they don't continue "logically" on the weapons added when the level (and weapon) cap increased from 65 to 75. I've been adding information about the ratings to the talk page of the appropriate legacy, so I'll be able to see back which ratings are correct and which not. It would be great if you could do the same. I'd like to get as straight as possible which values are correct and which not before we change anything in the template, because all already existing rating based legacy pages will be affected. I post my findings in User:Ravanel/Sandbox3. Feel free to add there what you have found as well! --Ravanel (talk) 17:03, 31 January 2012 (EST)
Ravanel, do you want all class data on your sandbox page? Because I have some for minstrels. Kadi (talk) 17:11, 31 January 2012 (EST)

Request for data

Having a look at this just now, and trying to work out what the new formula is. The main problem right now is a lack of data on rating given at each level/age combination. If people could post the rating given at each rank for as many level/age combinations as possible for each legacy, it would be really helpful. If possible, lots of data about a couple of legacies is best, because then the ratings can be compared properly to see how they change with level/age. Thanks. Amphoras (talkTalk to me!) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (EDT)