Talk:War-steed

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Ok... starting to put some words together here... I'm assuming that things are "pretty close" to final form, but who knows....

A) does any of this make sense?

B) should the "Tutorial information" be done via screen shots (as it is now), or transcribed into text. I'm beginning to think that transcribing into text will both look better as well as be much easier to reference. AND I do expect a lot of cross referencing to be done.

C) some of the categorization here is probably less than optimal.

D) This page was conceived especially as a mechanism to cover stuff NOT in the in-game tutorial -- of which there is a huge amount, like the stuff about the LI Bridle.

What I've written so far is only the tip of the iceberg of information about the LI Bridle and its "relics." (Bridles have their own "special" relics, and how they "interact" is currently /bugged (as in they decon into "normal" relics...) and no comments have yet stated "Works As Intended."

A question is -- If you are a F2P player are you offered all 3 bridle types at the completion of the quest? And do you therefore simply have to know in advance that you can only ever get a Medium War-steed and should choose your reward accordingly?

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

I have been collecting "notes" from various announcements and PR in User:Magill/Projects-ROR-War-steed, and from what I can tell so far, the original idea of allowing the War-steed combat abilities on its own, as we saw in "Discovering the Descendent" are now completely history.

Only Favour of the Mearas remains, apparently unchanged, but I'm not certain of its implications at this time. One question, for example -- if you did not pre-order and/or complete the Discovering the Descendent quests do you/can you still obtain the skill.

Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 14:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

I believe it was noted by some of the devs that the Mounted Combat system has been further and further simplified over time, as they found that the more complex versions proved unwieldy to control. What exactly the more complex versions entailed, I don't know.
That said, no, none of the Descendant's session-play skills are used in Mounted Combat. Favour of the Mearas was not a session-play skill, it's always been a dormant player skill that listed no effect, had a one day cooldown, and wasn't usable since no one on live had a war-steed. In Beta, the skill is a mount heal on a 15-minute timer (I've put a screenshot of the tooltip on the skill's page, since we don't have mount stats in the Skill template just yet).
On another note, I noticed that some of the quests that pop up during the Langhold line aren't actually required to finish the deed or get the war-steed. For instance, when the player gets sent down to the South Undeep, two quests pop up in the Easterling camp (one for killing Easterlings and one for gathering Mordor steel from them). The player can actually ignore both quests, do no combat, and instead run around to the end of the camp and peek through the wall to advance the vector quest. They can then run back to the Undeep watch, complete the quest, and be sent on to Utred. Once War Comes to Rohan is complete, the deed for Langhold will complete as well. I should note, though, that completing the full body of the Langhold quests will put a player at Acquaintance with the Men of the Wold, such that they'll finish 'Known to the Wold' at the same time as 'Quests of Langhold'.
This might explain why the Langhold quest deed doesn't have a counter on it, like most quest completion deeds do? -- JnK (talk) 08:08, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

The simplification thing has as much (if not totally) to do with the game engine as to the player mechanics. The actual player mechanics have not changed, only how those mechanics translate into in-game mount activity.

I have the Langhold quest line itemized here: User:Magill/Projects-ROR-Eastern-Rohan#Quests I had not noted the other two quests as "Landscape Quests," but now that you mention it, they, like Venomtounge, are "extras." Hmm... I'm just looking at the screen shots I have -- it seems that there are two deeds which happen as one completes War comes to Rohan...

New Deed: Known to the Wold
New Deed: Friend to the Wold
Completed: Known to the wold
and a title "Survivor of Langhold"

I can't tell if I also got anything about quests in Langhold, unless that is where the title came from. IF for no other reason than the fact the client crashed on me then :( -- the bloody 90 minute MTBF is a serious PITA! Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 22:46, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

Aha just remembered to check the chat log -- Quests of Langhod completed in the line before "New Deed:" :) Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 22:50, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

I like a lot of this, but I think it's too much. If you're trying to target the people who are impatient to get their first war-steed, they're not going to want to read through paragraphs of information. Assuming it works the way it is in beta now, the short answer to the question is
  1. Go to Langhold, just south across the border from the Great River
  2. Do every quest in that region's quest chain
  3. Take the quest Devastation in the North that sends you south to Harwick for your War-steed tutorial
The fact that there are two different paths to get there is not really significant here, since it doesn't make any difference to the quests themselves or the war-steed.
Maybe a category page-style quest chain could be added for all the quests leading up to the tutorial, so people can see what quests they need to get through, and if they happen to get off the rails they can find their way again. It would also give a chance to mark as Optional the few quests that are not actually required, if you think that's important. I'm going to be interested to see what exactly is available to a person who has not purchased the expansion.
A lot of what you have written so far could be split onto different pages as well. I would take out most of the "What's it like to ride a War-steed?" section and the descriptions that compare the steed to real-world horses. If you want to keep some of that it could go on the Maeras page perhaps. It's interesting, but not really relevant to learning to use one. Similarly, the gritty details about the bridle can go elsewhere, either as new sections on the Legendary Items page, or on its own page describing the bridles and their relics. My idea of a tutorial is a very simple step-by-step guide with links to other pages for more detailed information.
I agree that the in-game Tutorial information would be better transcribed into paragraphs, and the screenshots removed. It looks better, and opens the possibility of cross-linking.
Also I'm not sure that it's true that the Light and Heavy trait trees are tied to account type. You can see the confusion over that question blossoming in this thread. My understanding was that the trait trees were included with the expansion purchase, and people who haven't bought it would be able to purchase them separately in the Store. Now I don't feel so confident about that, and I can't find any official statement about it just now, although I feel like I read about it somewhere...
-- Elinnea (talk) 00:28, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
I've just run a new character through the Langhold quests, and this time I tried skipping as many as I could and completing quests one by one, to see which were in fact required. I had to do both of the brigand quests, but not the one about returning stolen goods; both the destroying nests and killing salamanders quests, but not Venomtongue; the peek-through-the-hole quest but neither of the Easterling ones. Then when I turned in War Comes to Rohan I completed the Quests of Langhold deed, even though I had done substantially fewer quests, and I did not get the aquaintance deed completed. I think it's a good hunch that this is why the Langhold deed doesn't have a counter. It shouldn't be hard to test this same thing again on live, in case they still want to change something about the quest line. -- Elinnea (talk) 12:04, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

I updated the quest list, to reflect that. Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2012 (EDT)