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Move horses to skill pages

Since mounts are now skills acquired from a steed item, that would be nice to move all horse & pony pages to skill pages, and get the steed item created that link to them, like I did for Ashen Steed, Ashen Pony & Ashen Horse. --Goingbald 14:14, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

Agreed, that looks good. --Ravanel 05:05, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
Sorry for the very very late update, but I think I've moved, renamed and fixed the stats for all pages... There are still some Item-pages, but they are for the steeds (for instance after bought in the store). --Tiberivs (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
Good job! --Ravanel (talk) 19:46, 13 December 2011 (EST)

Number of horses per line

Can we please reduce the number of horses to a maximum of 5 (better 4 I guess) per line? I'm having quite well used 1280x1024 resolution and the horses never fit on the screen. --EoD (talk) 19:11, 13 December 2011 (EST)

Agreed there. Huh, it didn't used to be like this? They used to be lined up with 4 per line, as far as I recall. Which looks a better for people without giant widescreens. Feel free to change this! --Ravanel (talk) 19:46, 13 December 2011 (EST)
Seconded! Sethladan 19:55, 13 December 2011 (EST)

Cam Applewood

Cam Applewood at the Hengstacer Farm -- now, at least during the Fifth Anniversary Festival, offers the Item:Prized Mahogany Bay Steed (Ettemoors), the Item:Prized Ashen Steed (Council of the North) and the Item:Prized Tundra Steed (Forochel). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Magill (Contribs • User Talk).

The Galloping Gala

Turbine just announced "The Galloping Gala" -- May 3 - 16. http://www.lotro.com/gallopinggala Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 15:03, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

Goats, Large and Small

The items that give Goat skills list two barring skills, much as the items that give Horse/Pony skills. And much as with horse/pony combinations, the Man/Elf large goat has one default name, while the smaller dwarf/hobbit one has another name. Yet we don't make the distinction between what appears to be two different skills with the same name, as we do with similarly uniform "Steed of the ____" skills (where we toss on '(Horse)' and '(Pony)' to disambiguate).

Should we not separate the Goat skill pages into something like "Dusky Nimblefoot Goat (Large)" and "Dusky Nimblefoot Goat (Small)"? -- JnK (talk) 11:18, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Honestly I do not know what to say. Are there any other difference than the size? If not I suggest just one page is used for both sizes.
In my opinion, unless there is a really good reason there is no point in having separate pages just for the sake in itself. I guess most people would call that practise nerdy or nit-picky, bordering to an obsessive syndrome of some kind. And indeed we do have some such pages at this wiki. Personally I think most of those Steed/Pony could be merged into one page, however, with clear and crisp notes that spells out that it is one page for two distinct items, the steed and the pony. After all, the real difference is not in the item but in the race that mounts it.
Going too far in exactness most often confuses the information, and that is not wanted at a wiki. The distinction might be correct but the result is poor. So the main question, always, is: what is most informative? This or that? Precise or pragmatic? In my opinion pragmatic tends to win 9 out of 10. --- That said, I won't stop you ;)
-- Zimoon (talk) 11:30, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
Most of the horse/pony mount skills have different names (Grey Horse/Grey Pony), so I think it makes sense to give them individual pages. Then they started adding in the "Steed of the ..." types of mounts, which use the same skill name for both horse and pony. The (Horse) and (Pony) were appended on the wiki, to keep them consistent with the page formatting of all the other horses, I suppose. I think it would actually make more sense to let those be combined on a single page, the way the goats are. It would make searching easier.
There's also the problem with the mount items, such as Item:Steed of Minas Ithil. To match the text from the game, it links to the barred skill Steed of Minas Ithil twice - except that skill doesn't exist, so it's a red link. To make the item link to the correct skill, the (Horse) and (Pony) have to be appended in the text of the mount-granting item, which is kind of ugly and doesn't match the in-game text. -- Elinnea (talk) 12:31, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
Aye, and hence why I asked. It doesn't make much sense to treat the goats and uniformly named steeds differently. Plus it's a good point that disambiguating breaks the tooltip links. Further, from reviewing the Mount Icon category, there's yet to be horse/pony combo that use a different icon for each.
So when the skill names are different, we can give them separate pages, and when it's the same, put both on one page. We can still have a picture of each size, and list both default names. -- JnK (talk) 23:41, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
Makes sense to me. Technical issues in themselves should not be a reason to create several pages, different names are a reason (which may include technical issues ofc). And if we must fix flaws in the templates, then we do that. Thanks that you asked JnK! -- Zimoon (talk) 02:12, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
Glad I stumbled across this discussion; I was getting VERY confused running through the steed pages as some say the skill is Steed of the __ (Horse) and some say Horse of the ___. So it actually sounds like neither is the actual skill name and it is simply called Steed of the ___, correct? Shall I simply merge the two when I stumble on them or make a list and ensure all are named as such in-game first? --Savi (talk) 10:02, 15 May 2013 (EDT)

Point of Interest - Class Mount Names

The Steed of the Burglar came out the other day, and in searching for corroborating information about it, I stumbled across a thread from the LOTRO forums on the topic of class mounts. It includes a list of class mount names from the RoI beta, posted on October 7 (when the first one, Steed of the Hunter, came out). So far, those seem to be the names that made it to Live.

Of course, being as it's Beta information, it isn't necessarily reliable, and is subject to change at any time. So it's probably not a good reference for wiki information. Still, it's interesting from an anecdotal standpoint. I guess we'll see if the rest of it comes true. -- JnK (talk) 16:42, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

Mearas

I've started collecting information about the War-steeds as it becomes available outside the NDA.

Of particular fun has been working up a description of the Mearas: User:Magill/Projects-ROR-War-steed#LORE:_The_Mearas

At the moment, it is pretty much of a jumble the lore stuff needs to be sorted and researched a bit more.

In the process I've been fixing and enhancing a couple of other pages which were pretty thin, and in some aspects wrong.

Feel free to add/comment/correct, etc.

  • Once the NDA is lifted, there will be a HUGE amount of information that needs to be created about the War-steeds.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 03:54, 21 July 2012 (EDT)


Store-bought Steeds and Matching War-steed Skins

On a related note: a number of promotional shots have been released of war-steeds wearing the attire of class steeds and the Steed of Night. Though we don't have the information on the war-steeds themselves, should we start adding these shots to the pages for these steeds? -- JnK (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2012 (EDT)

I'm not sure exactly what you're proposing - adding the screenshots with different color variations to the pages for the class steeds? That seems a little misleading, since when you buy a Steed of the Rune-keeper you only get one particular appearance. The pictures and information might go better on a separate page, perhaps a catalog of War-steed cosmetic options, something along the lines of Outfits. Although that will probably have to wait until the expansion is released. -- Elinnea (talk) 11:25, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
The War Steed Appearances will "Match" certain LOTRO Store mounts. The mechanic will work this way (supposedly) -- if you buy any "appropriate" steed from the Store, when RoR releases, you will have available to your War Steed, the corresponding cosmetic appearance. This is what is being displayed in the various promotional videos and stills. This is/was all explained (sort of) by Arron Campbell in the hour-long Beta Video over at MMORPG. And what the Promo for the store indicates. Towards the end. I think he uses the "Bone steed" as his example. It is not clear if this applies to steeds "won" in the Lottery or acquired from sources other than the LOTRO Store. Similarly it is not clear if you can buy War Steed ONLY appearances, and from various comments made, it is not clear how "finished" the artwork is for the War Steeds at this time.(i.e. will it match the illustration in the store promo.) And note, these ARE Cosmetic only -- same as Armour for Skirmish Soldiers. :( See the pointers I have under Sources at User:Magill/Projects-ROR-War-steed his description is near the end of the hour-long video.
Where to put them -- yeah, that is the question. Not enough info yet.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC (talk) 15:06, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
That was basically what I was proposing. It has been said that not all the appearances are in yet (Burglar and Lore-master Steeds aren't listed on that page, but it was said they'd get them up as soon as they can). What I was proposing was to add one of those shots to each of the class-steed pages to show the accompanying War-Steed appearance. It doesn't have to be done now, of course, but I thought I'd propose the idea. -- JnK (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
The trouble is, the class steed skins are going to apply in a mix-and-match sort of way: you get the head, and tail, and saddle, and gear, etc. for each war-steed skin you own, and you can put them together in any combination you want. There are also apparently ways of changing the colors. At least, this is how it works in the video that Magill is referring to, and that's assuming they won't change it between now and launch - always a possibility.
I guess there might be a "default" sort of appearance for a war-steed if you put on all the pieces of a single class mount, and that might be worth showing on the class-steed page, in a separate section to make sure it's clear what it's depicting. Personally, I'd rather wait until we know more, and then we can decide where best to put everything. :) -- Elinnea (talk) 17:38, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
Aye, I'm aware. I imagine that when/if the time comes, we might have individual pages for the components just as we currently have individual pages for the pieces of cosmetics sets. And as with cosmetics, we may avoid having a picture for every single dye combination, instead opting for the default colors. But supposing that the pack of components comes with the acquisition of the horse, that information should probably be attached in some fashion to either the Mount Skill or the Mount Item. And in such case, yes, I'd say put up the full set in default colors as a parallel to the matching horse. Which is also how they're being promoted on that page I linked. -- JnK (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

Is this correct now?

A recent post on the Forums (30 March 2013):

post #7

Anybody, VIP, premium and F2P, can buy 4 different 62% horses at Hengstacer Farm for 500 silver for the first one and 200 silver for the next 3. You can do this as soon as you leave the intro and buy the riding skill from the store for 95 TP. I'm usually level 6 when I finish the intro.
The slow horse you're thinking about is the Bree-land Starter Steed which is a 32%. The level 20 you mentioned is for VIPs who can do a quest to get the riding skill free, saving the 95 TP.'

In particular the "Founder/First horse section" -- which should probably be referenced in the first or second paragraph!!! Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 11:04, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

That post is correct, yes, but it matches what we have on the page already. (Well, 200 silver versus 220 silver - I'm pretty sure the forum post is right, not the wiki.) The VIP part and the Bree-land Starter Steed are mentioned under Mounts#Mount_Purchasing.
Are you talking about reorganizing the page? If so, I agree it could kind of use it - the emote list should be further down, as should the mounted combat paragraph, in my opinion. Or am I confused and you're asking something else?
-Kadi (talk) 11:24, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

Since I started working on Character Stats, I keep getting side-tracked on various other bits of "starter information" -- Virtues, Titles and recently discovered that Descendant of the Mearas was misspelled as Descendant of the Maeras... (I'm easily distracted) -- at any rate, that particular Forum post got me to look at the Mounts page, and to realize that it provides zero assistance to someone just starting out who wants to find out "how do I get a horse." (and I'm re-writing Chat channels for that same reason.)

At any rate ... see what I meant about "How do I get?"... I didn't spot the "Mounts#Mount_Purchasing" scanning the document. That should probably be moved to the top of the article, either immediately above or below the header "mount details." And, following in my "new player" logical(?) point of view, be written as more of a Q/A -- How do I get a mount? And I would tend to replace "purchase" with "obtain." Is riding skill truly still limited to lvl 5? And we probably need to watch out for the related changes about to come (my prediction) -- since Item: Stablemaster's Writ (of Travel) and Item: Revival Tome were replaced by Item:Mithril Coins, one suspects that the acquisition of the Riding Skill will likewise be replaced, possibly as soon as U10.1!

An idea would be something like:

How to acquire your mount
  • To obtain any mount, each Character must first have the Riding Skill.
  • Free players must purchase the riding skill from the LOTRO Store, currently for 95 LOTRO Point , but can do so at any level after level 5.
  • VIP players can also acquire the riding skill at the store after level 5 by expending TP, or can get it for free by completing a quest in the Horse Fields at level 20!
  • Several mounts can be purchased from Éogar, son of Hadorgar, in Bree-land. Other mounts can be acquired during Festivals, through acquiring Reputation with certain factions or can be acquired at the LOTRO Store for TP, or even received as Lottery prizes!

Arghhhhhhh!! I just noticed that Riding Skill is also poorly written and out of date (no mention of F2P or mention that it applies to one character only, not account wide as many other "features" are).

... I'm getting really sidetracked again! Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 10:01, 1 April 2013 (EDT)
Tell me about it - I went to go look something up quickly for my cook, and I stumbled on Item:Campfire Kits (formally Campfire Materials). I've spent a ton of time reworking that page, including bribing my sister to go get some higher level wood on her explorer, because I don't have any foresters high enough to get the last two tiers of wood, all so I could update that page. Which led me to the Crafting Lore index page, which was out of date, which led me to other index pages which are also out of date... Do you think if we asked nicely, they'd stop adding stuff to the game until we finish catching up?  :P
Anyway, I completely agree the page needs to be rearranged, with the Riding info higher up. You should still mention the price of the mount, imo - 500 silver is a *lot* for a new player to get, and they should know that ahead of time. I'm not sure what the price is after you first buy a mount, though - all my lowbie characters have Bree Kindred already, so they get a discount, and none of my other server alts have enough silver (or the riding skill!) to buy a mount at 500 silver to test out the discount!
And yes, riding skill is limited to people who have the Novice trait - which you can only get after you complete the newbie instance (or buy the veteran pass), and you can't leave newbie instance before level 5 (skipping all the optional quests and killing the bare minimum of monsters, you're still almost level 6 by the time you leave). It might be better to reword that to say you can't get it 'til you leave the starter instance instead of saying level 5. Oh, and I suggest saying Free or Premium, not just Free, in your third line, because some people are thrown off by that.
-Kadi (talk) 11:36, 1 April 2013 (EDT)
fyi re: mount discounts ... buying your first mount grants a passive skill that applies the discount, see Mount Discount ... that page should probably be linked from the Mount Purchasing section ... i'm pretty sure buying a Document of Mount Ownership also grants the discount passive, but haven't checked to see if buying a rep horse as one's first horse would also grant the discount (i expect that it would). Taz (talk) 13:46, 1 April 2013 (EDT)

Page updated - please check

Ok, I've finished updating the page (Section one only) and several of its spin-off pages.

The three things I have not been able to verify, and do not have knowledge of; but they seem correct:

* This passive skill is granted to you even if your first mount happens to be a reputation mount or pre-existing festival mount (new festival mounts will not grant this trait). The discount itself applies only to the mounts sold by Éogar, son of Hadorgar.
* A basic steed is 500 Silver  for the first purchase and 200 Silver  for every regular horse purchased after. Festival mounts cost Festival Tokens, and may require a completed festival deed in order to purchase.
* In the past, players gained access to their first horse or pony only at level 20 - the Bree-land Starter Steed. This was a slower version of a normal mount and has less health, but it got you saddled up sooner in the game (The riding quest was then only available at level 35). The cost of this mount was 200 silver and looked the same as the Founder's Bree-horse. Founders could start riding their mounts at level 15. This mount is now also included in the Loot Bag sold at the LOTRO Store and available at level 15.

Other comments

  • The Vendor Discount (Skill) (10%) is different from the Acquaintance Reputation level Men of Bree Vendor Discount (5%). While I did verify that the 5% discount is cumumlative with the 60% discount, I did not verify if the Writ of Customer's Favour is cumulative with either or both... and I noted that the Writ page lists the cost as 495 Silver  (495 TP) while the Skill pages shows it as 100 Silver (100 TP)!
  • Both sets of discount prices shown on Éogar, son of Hadorgar are correct -- at least for a VIP Kindred with Men of Bree.
  • In the process of updating the tables, I've also converted them to use CSS syntax.
"VIP players can gain access to their first horse or pony at level 8, the Bree Starter Steed."
while the current Tool-tip lists no level requirement.
  • Similarly, the Founder's Steed (Bree-pony) and Moria Expeditionary (Moria Pre-order) Dusky Nimblefoot Goat is granted at character creation and is available as soon as the riding skill is obtained. The Goat and Bree-pony are already in your Mount's panel as soon as the character is created.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 20:49, 2 April 2013 (EDT)
A couple corrections from my own personal observations (have 2 lifetime VIP accounts):
  • The Bree-land Starter Steed, Founder's Steed (Bree-pony), and Moria Expeditionary (Moria Pre-order) Dusky Nimblefoot Goat all do NOT require the Riding Skill. You get them and learn them immediately when you first log in after character creation. They have no level requirement either. You can first actually use them as soon as you earn the Novice passive characteristic upon finishing the Introduction quest area. This is the biggest bit of info that is still wrong with the Mounts page
  • I went ahead and checked in-game and corrected the Vendor Discount (Skill) TP cost. It is indeed 495 TP.
  • Magill is correct that any promotional steeds you receive at character creation that require the Riding skill stay as items in your bags until you earn the Riding skill. This usually includes the Anniversary steed, Steam steed, and expansion steeds.
  • The 500s for first mount from Eogar is correct. This also applied to the Documents of Ownership previously required for Festival mounts. The 200s for mounts/documents of ownership after the first reflects the 60% discount you also receive with your first mount.
  • On a side note, the table on the Mounts Index page has MountType as the default sort criteria on page load. This is not very useful and should probably default sort by Name.
- Shardis (talk) 04:04, 17 May 2013 (EDT)
Regarding the Mount Index -- The only reason I sorted via Mounttype was, for example, with the spring festival coming up, people can see all the ones available at that time together. But feel free to simply delete the sort line if you wish (as it sorts by name by default). Viewers can simply click the header arrow to sort as they choose so it really isn't important either way. --Savi (talk) 09:09, 17 May 2013 (EDT)
Always about sorting: in the paragraph about reputation steeds, which criteria is used to sort them? I can guess that goats are all together at the end of the paragraph but what about the other steeds? --Ewine (talk) 21:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

U14 - Pick-a-mount

New in B2 U14 --

  • Lootboxes now contain a "Pick a Mount" box which allows you to select one of over 25 different mounts, including the Lootbox exclusive Red Painted Skeletal Steed.

https://www.lotro.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7186589

  • On example: a "Pick a Mount" box from an Eorlingas Box. Inside was a choice of:


  • Ashen Steed
  • Liver Chestnut Steed
  • Dark Chestnut Steed
  • Galadhrim Steed
  • Tundra Steed
  • Springfest Steed
  • Lithe Festival Steed
  • Pale Golden Summer Steed
  • Yule Festival Snow Steed
  • Yule Festival Steed
  • Esteldin Steed
  • Steed of the Dusk-Watch
  • Malledhrim Steed
  • Lossoth Steed
  • Grey Company Steed
  • Algraig Steed
  • Springtime Steed
  • Ost Dunhoth Steed
  • Bree-Land Starter Steed
  • Glittering Yule Steed
  • Bay Steed
  • Chestnut Steed
  • Smokey Black Steed
  • Blue Road Steed
  • Harvestmath Steed
  • Sable Harvestmath Steed
  • Red Painted Skeleton Pony
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 12:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
If you look farther down the thread, you'll see that all of the reputation mounts will be taken out of the choices (confirmed by Deviled_Egg).
  • Ashen Steed - Council of the North (Angmar) kindred standing
  • Liver Chestnut Steed - Men of Bree kindred standing
  • Dark Chestnut Steed - Wardens of Annuminas kindred standing
  • Galadhrim Steed - Galadhrim (Lothlorien) kindred standing
  • Tundra Steed - Lossoth (Forochel) kindred standing
  • Esteldin Steed - Rangers of Esteldin kindred standing
  • Malledhrim Steed - Malledhrim (Mirkwood) kindred standing
  • Grey Company Steed - Grey Company kindred standing
  • Algraig Steed - Algraig (Enedwaith) kindred standing
  • Ost Dunhoth Steed - Reward for completing In Their Absence meta-deed
  • Smokey Black Steed - Malledhrim (Mirkwood) kindred standing

So that leaves:

  • Springfest Steed
  • Lithe Festival Steed
  • Pale Golden Summer Steed
  • Yule Festival Snow Steed
  • Yule Festival Steed
  • Steed of the Dusk-Watch
  • Lossoth Steed
  • Springtime Steed
  • Bree-Land Starter Steed
  • Glittering Yule Steed
  • Bay Steed
  • Chestnut Steed
  • Blue Road Steed
  • Harvestmath Steed
  • Sable Harvestmath Steed
  • Red Painted Skeleton Pony

Unless, of course, Deviled_Egg decides to add in other steeds in later build of Bullroarer. SjsharksBoy (talk) 01:03, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

LOL ... She added that post after I had read the thread, and just now saw the "answer". -- simply not enough hours in the day.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 17:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Changes coming in Update 21.3 - now in Beta on Bullroarer

From the 21.3 - build 1 - BETA - release notes

  • Steed of the Moon Moth naming inconsistencies are cleaned up.
  • The mount collections that previously granted titles have been replaced with deeds.
To advance one of the mount collection deeds, you must use that mount skill (from the mount collections panel or from skill panel, mounts tab.) New mount collection deeds/titles have also been added for the 2015 & 2016 Festival steeds, Goat mounts, and Gondor mounts!
  • The Lossoth Steed and Steed of the Dusk-watch now have correct source information in the Mounts Collection panel.
  • The Skeleton Steed Rider Bundle can now be used (opened) even if you already have the Riding trait.
  • Minor performance improvements were made to the loading of the mounts collection page. Please let us know if you notice anything failing to load properly.
Wm Magill - Valamar - OTG/OTC - talk 15:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)