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IRC Meeting

You can see the summary and conclusions of the last chat meeting here.

Location	Local time	Time zone
U.K. - London	Saturday, ?, 2008 at 19:00 (7:00 PM)	UTC/GMT
Germany - Berlin	Saturday, ?, 2008 at 8:00 PM	UTC +1 hour (CET)
U.S.A. - Florida	Saturday, ?, 2008 at 2:00 PM	UTC -5 hours (EST)
U.S.A. - Oregon	Saturday, ?, 2008 at 11:00 AM	UTC -8 hours (PST)
AUS - Melbourne	Sunday, ?, 2008 at 6:00 AM	UTC +11 hours (EDT)

As usual, the chat will take place on our IRC Channel at irc://chat.freenode.net/lotro-wiki .

Everyone is welcome to attend. Need help connecting to IRC? Check this out.

--Fedaykin 20:22, 16 August 2008 (PDT)

Topics for discussion

This will be a more open discussion that usual - if you have topics you would like to talk about, speak up at the meeting.

--Fedaykin 20:22, 16 August 2008 (PDT)

article message box template

howdy, I've started adapting a wikipedia {{ambox}} template.
Here are a few examples how it could be used:

This article is a Kinship information page The contents herein are entirely player made and in no way represent official LOTRO history or occurrences which are accurate for all worlds. The characters and events listed are of an independent nature and applied for roleplaying, fictional, speculative, or opinions from a limited playerbase only.

This article is Player Character biography page The contents herein are entirely player made and in no way represent official LOTRO history or occurrences which are accurate for all worlds. The characters and events listed are of an independent nature and applied for roleplaying, fictional, speculative, or opinions from a limited playerbase only.

Content of this article is based upon Lorebook The information provided in this article may or may not be implemented in the live build of the LOTRO client.

Content of this article is based upon Roheryn build Roheryn is a public preview server, on which new updates to LOTRO are made available prior to their release to all other LOTRO worlds. Therefore the information provided in this article may change before going to the live build of the LOTRO client.

This article or section is a Patch stub. It contains information that has (probably) been modified in the changes associated with an update to the game and is a place-holder until it has been checked in the game.

Some of the message boxes may need rewording and we'll need some icons for use with other similar templates...
What do you think about it? --Xander 12:47, 30 January 2008 (PST)

Suggest we move further discussion on this subject to the talk page of the template {{ambox}} template... --Xander 03:18, 31 January 2008 (PST)

I would love to hear some feedback and suggestions to new colour scheme so I can finish the implementation of it ;) --Xander 03:54, 28 February 2008 (PST)

Wanted Images

I'm not sure how to do this but I figured someone here might...

 SELECT 'Wantedimages' AS type,
   pl_namespace AS namespace,
   pl_title AS title,
   COUNT(*) AS value
   FROM $pagelinks
   LEFT JOIN $page
   ON pl_namespace=page_namespace AND pl_title=page_title
   WHERE (page_namespace IS NULL) AND (title LIKE 'Image%')
   GROUP BY pl_namespace,pl_title
   HAVING COUNT(*) > 0

This is based upon the Wantedpages.php file. Wantedpages doesn't have the AND on the WHERE clause and the HAVING COUNT(*) > 1 instead of 0 to find links from 2 or more pages. This would find single instance images missing (such as an icon or screenshot, etc...).

Like I said I don't know precisely how to accomplish this but, as you can see, it would offer an easy way to find missing images/icons that are being referenced on pages.

--Eleazaros 22:11, 13 February 2008 (PST)

new region navigator?

I'm working on a new region navigator. Could you take a look at User:Xander/angmar? it's still Work in Progress though... --Xander 06:17, 17 February 2008 (PST)

I like the concept and the overall application of it. The colors could be tweaked (that blue on black is not easily readable) but that is a minor thing. I like how it can include towns/settlements, instances, and various points of interest within that zone. --Deyvid 06:15, 19 February 2008 (PST)

Yeah the colours will have to be tweaked and put into common.css or modified for various skins, I'm interested in the feedback on general representation and content of such a template. I could separate Instance from areas for example, but some are doubled (eg Carn Dûm) and will probably need two pages anyway... --Xander 01:20, 21 February 2008 (PST)

Forums for the wiki

As discussed in last lotro-wiki world-wide IRC conference  :) The choices I see as forum candidates for the wiki are as follows:

• phpBB 3.0 -

• Pros: Easy to setup, forums are easy to use, manage, software is mature, can have it running in a day.
• Cons: Requires separate authentication from the wiki. (Yes, there is an addon to allow mediawiki to use phpBB authentication, but because of username constraints by phpbb, it won't be possible to convert all accounts, and would probably require a password reset)

• MWBB-

• Pros: Full integration into the wiki, use the same wiki code, uses the same authentication
• Cons: Very new software, less features than phpBB, currently doesn't work with mediawiki 1.11, can potentially make it difficult to upgrade mediawiki in the future.

• (Please add your favorite GPLed forums here)

--Lotroadmin 12:41, 18 February 2008 (PST)

I'd say go with easiest one to setup, extra authorisation isn't all that bad and would affect only select few...--Xander 13:35, 18 February 2008 (PST)

I can see some upsides to the MWBB, but I'd probably go with the phpBB since it is easy to set up and manage, and it's the most widely used, much more people would be familiar with it from a users standpoint. The extra authentication shouldn't be that big of a hassle for us. --Deyvid 06:09, 19 February 2008 (PST)

I have use and Admin phpbb and it's very easy. if we need to reset password well that is good. well it got my vote :) --Speico 13:30, 19 February 2008 (PST)

I don't really mind either, but if the Wiki bulletin board is going to cause some trouble with the mediawiki software, then I'd say go for phpBB, it's very solid and feature-rich software. --Fedaykin 08:33, 20 February 2008 (PST)

Introduction

Hi

I'm reasonably new to LOTRO and very new to wiki editing, although I teach html so some things feel familiar. Having played other games for a few years I know just how much reference sites can help the player. I'm keen to help with editing and just going and checking items, locations, quest details. Happy to work through list of things that need doing, even minor boring things. Btw I really like the Quest Chains way of showing quest lists. Yes I like lists to tick off.

--Guli 05:08, 20 February 2008 (PST)

a dwarf who eats biscuits, apple pie and digs through data

/bow & thank you :) (as the creator of most of said chains ;) ) - yes I made them so I could do the same on my alts, although right now I'm working on the revamped Angmar chains. Lists are good :)

Welcome to the wiki. Yes the basic coding is easy enough to follow, but feel free to ask if things crop up that you don't understand.

DancesInTrees 08:23, 20 February 2008 (PST)

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Ouch! A teacher!!! Now I'm gonna really catch it for my sloppy documentation and approach to "design"... *snicker*

Welcome to the wiki. I do a bit of markup stuff here and have a good deal of info on how the markup works so, if you need any help figuring out the markup language, feel free to ask.

A reference for you on tables here: Wiki's support the "simple" table architecture so no colgroup nor rowgroup support (e.g. no scope "col" stuff works). Besides that, it'll handle most everything your used to.

--Eleazaros 08:56, 20 February 2008 (PST)

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I teach in the day time only... Thank you for the welcome. I will ask questions as I come across them, still working out categories. I'll do various parts till someone throws a list of jobs at me.

--Guli 09:43, 20 February 2008 (PST)

Archive time?

Just wondering... September was the last archive of this thread and we're up to 35 topics now... --Eleazaros 09:09, 20 February 2008 (PST)

Done! --Xander 00:56, 21 February 2008 (PST)

Logo Contest

Lotro-Wiki.com:Logo Contest page is updated with all entries we've had so far! --Xander 01:12, 21 February 2008 (PST)

Milestones

With the addition of Captain-General Bordagor, we have now reached 5,000 articles. Congratulations everyone, and let's keep up the great work! --Fedaykin 22:04, 22 February 2008 (PST)

Over 6000 now!!! --Lotroadmin 22:55, 10 March 2008 (PDT)

Two months later, and we're now at 8,000!!! That's 1k articles per month, very impressive everyone! :) --Fedaykin 16:38, 14 May 2008 (PDT)

Problem with a lot of documents in a Category

That's a category tree of Category:Item Icons. Take a look at the "sub-categories" shown on the page and you'll see the problem for yourself. Just page over a few pages (next 200) and you can see the rest of the "missing" sub-categories.

When there are a lot of items in a category, you'll end up with the category tree splitting up -- alphabetically -- across the pages so your best bet is to do like I did here and put the sub-category tree at the top so folks can see the full category tree of all sub-categories.

It's ugly having sub-categories shown twice like this (part in a Sub-Categories section and the full list above it) but it's better than having folks think that there are only a few sub-categories when there may be many.

--Eleazaros 13:21, 26 February 2008 (PST)

This is a great idea! Category:items is in desperate need of this as well, it would be great to see those on the first page! I tried copying the code over and changing the necessary text to refect the item category but when I previewed it the tree included all subcategories and articles for just the first page... what did I do wrong and how would I go about puting the category tree there?? Rogue 15:07, 26 February 2008 (PST)

It's set to mode=pages -- that place has a LOT of pages. You'd probably prefer mode=categories so... the code to do this would be:

<categorytree mode=categories style="width:300px; margin:5px; border:1px solid; background:transparent; padding:0.7ex;">Items</categorytree> 

You just put the category name in there (without Category:... -- it assumes it is a category so that isn't needed. The mode=categories means it'll only show categories. The rest is just formatting. My example above... Images aren't considered "pages" so it didn't matter what mode I used.

--Eleazaros 15:20, 26 February 2008 (PST)

Minor (sort of) revamp to Infobox Item template

Ok, so I reworked it a bit. I left a bunch of stuff there but it's a pretty heavy rework in its own right. I'm posting this here because this does effect major portions of the site. Infobox Item is used... a lot!

• Moved most of the formatting to MediaWiki:Common.css

This means the colors are "locked" in the css file. Simply adjust the classed colors and it will adjust the colors of the template.

Classes put there:

• table.item-infobox
• .item-infobox th (for the header line)
• td.lightgray
• td.red
• td.lightgreen
• td.darkgreen (unused for now but there are 2 green colors used in the game tips so...)
• td.lightblue
• td.blueish
• td.yellow
• td.white

If you wish to adjust any of the colors' for the text in the infobox, please use the classes to do so, unless you wish to adjust the color of the text to another class. In which case, go to the template and you'll see how easy they are to find and adjust... just follow the same pattern it shows there.

• Moved the icon from 1 line under heading to the top line -- left side (text I left "center" justified in the item-infobox th class area. If you want it left justified, just adjust it there and it should snug up to the icon.
• Adjusted the Usage Requirements so it will only show if an item has a "qualified" usage requirement.

* if a Characteristic is used

* if a profession is specified

* if a proficiency is specified

* if it is listed as a class-item

• Added a parameter: consumed =. If a value is passed, it will add "Consumed on Use" to the description.
• Changed several colors around:

• Unique
• Consumed on Use
• Bind on {{{bind}}}
• Indestructible

All set to lightgray (class=lightgray -- color can be adjusted in the Common.css file via the .lightgray class if it's too dark or light for folks...).

As I stated at the begining. I did a lot of little changes but enough to make it a fairly major reworking.
--Eleazaros 17:31, 2 March 2008 (PST)

MainPage and Logo

Hey all I wanted to remind everyone about my mainpage idea User:Rogue4ever/mainpage since I think it would be nice to have the new logo and a new front page happen simultaniously. I'd like to see the images get completed for that, nothing special just unified versions of what whas already up. Also might include the skin for the site with this if that's ready. Rogue 17:26, 19 May 2008 (PDT)

I'd like to see Rogue's Main Page implemented. It was scheduled for today and I haven't seen any issues brought up, so I say we should go ahead and do it. --Fedaykin 13:56, 6 June 2008 (PDT)

Misty Mountain Silver --> Ancient Silver and Vendr --> Vendor

Due to the change of MMS to Ancient Silver, can we have a bot fix all instances of the term Misty Mountain Silver?

If we have a bot do it, will it also change the page names, or just the occurances of the term MMS when it's INSIDE a page?

Additionally, the correct spelling is Vendor, but I see many pages that say Vender. Could we get these corrected as well?

Adelas 12:07, 22 July 2008 (PDT)