Item Talk:Festival Skill: Potent Bird Seed

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Outstanding Issues

First and foremost this page was created by copying the Item:Saffron's Lipstick entry, rather than explicitly following Boilerplate:Item since it provided a recent and (theoretically) accurate example. I also followed that page's links for further insight to correctly provide information. In doing so I came across three issues.

Barter Information: IMO this section should appear in a 1 item barter table format (like the Fall Festival Trader uses) for clarity and consistency. Words are open to interpretation while that table is used wiki- and game- wide. Use a table? Yes/No?

Effect: Other Consumable Deeds have a separate Effect entry (Saffron's Kiss, for example) in the wiki. However I have not been able to confirm this in-game so have not created that page or provided a page link yet. Can anyone confirm?

Flavor: After saving the page, I discovered that the Flavor portion of the Boilerplate:Item template is not being displayed. There are no comments on the template so I'm not sure why this problem is occurring. The referenced example uses breaks, but those are to produce paragraphs. All of the posted text is a single paragraph in the item's pop-up in-game. Please advise. -- DoIHaveTo (talk) 03:25, 21 October 2011 (EDT)

Neum's edits may have clarified some of the confusion, but this is certainly a complicated bit of follow-the-bouncing-ball:
That said, two additional points:
  1. The Boilerplate:Item should always be the most accurate and up-to-date standard for item pages. If it's incomplete or unclear (which I know it is, see discussion), then it needs to be improved, not disregarded. That said, I can't fault you for lifting the formatting from a similar page (although Item:Saffron's Lipstick probably has more in common with Item:Potent Bird Seed than with this page).
  2. Regarding the one-line barter table (that's now on Item:Potent Bird Seed, I can see the visual appeal. It does, however, look a bit out of place to me because the drop information is in text only. Please feel free to make suggestions for section formatting on Talk:Boilerplate:Item or on Adelas' discussion page (linked above); if you can get some degree of consensus, then we can certainly change the standard. Sethladan 11:46, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
I can also see the visual thing but think I agree with Seth (which I often do when having a 3rd breakfa... I mean thought). A one-line table, with a header, under two dotted-list items, ... a bit odd-looking. If all three, the "Barterer", the "Location", and the item-rec-trade were in the same table it would be better. Two columns, no header, bold and blue background to the left column, and data in plain font and toggling between no/tinted-background in the right. That is possible but requires a good boilerplate and only to fill in for the poor editors. However, the trade-for-... could also be a dotted item, either of (the 2nd is imaginary):
* Barter: 3 Fall Festival Tokens gives 1 of this item
* Barter: 3 of this item gives 1 of Fall Festival Tokens
...and I think nobody would miss the nice icons in this case.
To cut it short. I believe tables are great message-bringers when there are several item to display. Or, if there are several but very different items spread out over a page and several tables on the same display-scheme but tailored for the use-cases. That rather than having several lists that kind of chop the page to pieces. Hence I am going to have a similar discussion as this one on the location-boilerplate talk pages soon (as I am, as you did, applying another look than the boilerplate suggests when it comes to NPCs).
Comments on your suggestion above: I believe the idea is good, that 2 (3 if you consider my alternative) items dotted list is very short and crisp. Zimoon (talk) 04:44, 10 December 2011 (EST)